Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery

[Louis Calvert]

I'm still confused by the initial question though. It's a story. There's a tale to be told. That's why there's a mystery. What are you expecting, a text message declaring intentions?

No, the in-game story works absolutely perfectly for me, I love it, I love how it's unfolding and I think it works great.

However a ton of people on the forums seem to talk about a different story to that which is taking place in-game, and I'm trying to confirm the forum-based elements and see if there's any actual, real, hard evidence (from Primary Sources in-game, as much as we know so far), or if it's just a case of some misinformation/assumption/"fake news" propagated by manipulative entities in some of the novels being taken at face value. I realise the Novels are official Lore, but that doesn't mean that the information people have in the novels is factual, they may be lying, or it may be incorrect.

I'm questioning this because I know that Klaxians and Oresrians are actually from Elite (original) (actually the accompanying short story, not even in-game AFAIK), and that was retconned totally out of the game in FE2 and FFE (I could be wrong but I don't think they were called anything but Thargoids in FFE and were absent from FE2 entirely) - BUT Fan Fiction stories continued Klaxians and Oresrians material in games like Oolite etc., including material by Drew Wagar, who later wrote Premonition where he used the idea from the original elite/fan fiction of the Klaxians and Oresrians.

If you read this, for example: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Thargoids the bits here that are actually in-game do not mention anything about Klaxians and Oresrians until the bit where it explitly says it's from Premonition. The stuff below that about social structure and things, none of it is from sources, it's all assumptions and things.

Like I said, I'm trying to work out what bits are facts.

 

[clavain]

No, the in-game story works absolutely perfectly for me, I love it, I love how it's unfolding and I think it works great.

However a ton of people on the forums seem to talk about a different story to that which is taking place in-game, and I'm trying to confirm the forum-based elements and see if there's any actual, real, hard evidence (from Primary Sources in-game, as much as we know so far), or if it's just a case of some misinformation/assumption/"fake news" propagated by manipulative entities in some of the novels being taken at face value. I realise the Novels are official Lore, but that doesn't mean that the information people have in the novels is factual, they may be lying, or it may be incorrect.

I'm questioning this because I know that Klaxians and Oresrians are actually from Elite (original) (actually the accompanying short story, not even in-game AFAIK), and that was retconned totally out of the game in FE2 and FFE (I could be wrong but I don't think they were called anything but Thargoids in FFE and were absent from FE2 entirely) - BUT Fan Fiction stories continued Klaxians and Oresrians material in games like Oolite etc., including material by Drew Wagar, who later wrote Premonition where he used the idea from the original elite/fan fiction of the Klaxians and Oresrians.

If you read this, for example: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Thargoids the bits here that are actually in-game do not mention anything about Klaxians and Oresrians until the bit where it explitly says it's from Premonition. The stuff below that about social structure and things, none of it is from sources, it's all assumptions and things.

Like I said, I'm trying to work out what bits are facts.

IIRC most of the canon material on Klaxians and Oresrians is in Out of the Darkness by T. James.

 

[Louis Calvert]

IIRC most of the canon material on Klaxians and Oresrians is in Out of the Darkness by T. James.

I've just bought that so I'll read it next, thx

 

[Aldaris]

No, the in-game story works absolutely perfectly for me, I love it, I love how it's unfolding and I think it works great.

However a ton of people on the forums seem to talk about a different story to that which is taking place in-game, and I'm trying to confirm the forum-based elements and see if there's any actual, real, hard evidence (from Primary Sources in-game, as much as we know so far), or if it's just a case of some misinformation/assumption/"fake news" propagated by manipulative entities in some of the novels being taken at face value. I realise the Novels are official Lore, but that doesn't mean that the information people have in the novels is factual, they may be lying, or it may be incorrect.

I'm questioning this because I know that Klaxians and Oresrians are actually from Elite (original) (actually the accompanying short story, not even in-game AFAIK), and that was retconned totally out of the game in FE2 and FFE (I could be wrong but I don't think they were called anything but Thargoids in FFE and were absent from FE2 entirely) - BUT Fan Fiction stories continued Klaxians and Oresrians material in games like Oolite etc., including material by Drew Wagar, who later wrote Premonition where he used the idea from the original elite/fan fiction of the Klaxians and Oresrians.

If you read this, for example: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Thargoids the bits here that are actually in-game do not mention anything about Klaxians and Oresrians until the bit where it explitly says it's from Premonition. The stuff below that about social structure and things, none of it is from sources, it's all assumptions and things.

Like I said, I'm trying to work out what bits are facts.

In-game? No, nothing explicit I believe to suggest different factions. I would however question what they would have to gain by making the statement that there's two different faction if it's a lie. The outcome is the same for humanity either way; we're in danger.

 

[EuleDiamant]

Premonition states that our encounters are with Oresrians.
FD have been quite clear in live streames that the current Thargoids are the same as in previous games.

Can you show me? Tell me the page in the book.

 

[Han_Zen]

Oresrians are from 1984 but the name 'Klaxians' is new, I think?

I belive it's only in the new lore books.

 

[Louis Calvert]

I would however question what they would have to gain by making the statement that there's two different faction if it's a lie. The outcome is the same for humanity either way; we're in danger.

Well, if the Oresrians are running from the Klaxians - and according to the Club they are hoping to use us a bullet shield right?

If the Oresrians are the Thargoids we're encountering, which aligns with what The Club said, and they are intending to use us a bullet shield to slow down the Klaxians, then why don't they simply tell us about this terrible threat and help us build anti-Klaxian weapons... because surely that would slow down the Klaxians far more than literally any other plan.

Surely that's a much better plan that fluffing around wreck sites in the Pleiades and being very ambiguous and sort of drifting around not really being enemies but not really being not-enemies either? Also it means we wouldn't accidentally be killing any of the (apparently friendly or at least neutral) Oresrians. I mean, are they using themselves as some sort of double-bluff to get us used to killing Thargoids? That's a really strange plan.

I mean, that would also give us (as players) a brilliant narrative, literally "we know there's a massive wave of aliens coming, they're bad, really bad, so gear up and get ready to blast some bugs! and here's weeks of CG's and stories and things about how we're all getting ready to do that"

If the Oresrians have passed us by already, and we're now encountering the super-evil hostile Klaxians. Then why aren't they running through human space like a flood of 'oh-god horrible death'? Sure, maybe this is a scout force and they're evaluating us, makes sense, but then if the Oresrians want us to be a meat shield, then surely telling us about horrible bugs any time in the last few years would have really helped us slow them down.

And lastly, space is pretty massively huge. We're only in a tiny tiny bit. How exactly are the Oresrians not expecting the Klaxians just to go around us, or just jump through our space with impunity? It seems pretty definite that the Thargoid jump-drive is better than ours (we apparently got ours from them, if we can believe that), and any one of us could jump through the entirety of human space in what, 20 minutes or less?

Again, the in-game plot seems to work great, in that the Thargoids have just re-emerged after we beat them down, and they're gathering strength and re-evaluating humanity and making plans and all that jazz. But I just don't see how that meshes with the Klaxians and Oresrians and all that stuff The Club claim that a LOT of people seem to feel is true.

 

[Han_Zen]

Can you show me? Tell me the page in the book.

On my PDF version on the phone it's on page 839.

Bill Turner says: «Strictly speaking they are the Oresrians, at least, that’s what they call themselves, as near as we can render it in our language. Thargoid is a crass term we humans came up with.»

 

[Louis Calvert]

Oresrians are from 1984 but the name 'Klaxians' is new, I think?

I belive it's only in the new lore books.

Yes you're right, good point indeed, this is the text from The Dark Wheel:

Alex stepped away, heart beating, blood rushing to his head. Compound eyes, jointed limbs, head
antennae, double cutting jaws . . .
Thargoids!
Here, on a space station!
Thargoids were deadly. Thargoid spacers had their fear-glands removed, and were considered to
be the most effective and potent of humankind's enemies. The bounty for killing a Thargoid was
huge, and for capturing and delivering the juvenile form, the Tharglet, to any Space Navy research
centre, even greater.
What were they doing here?
The Thargoids chatted together and watched Alex coldly. Alex noticed that each had an appendage
resting on its thoracic plate, where they holstered their hand-lasers.
'Back off,' a voice whispered, and Alex turned. McGreavy stood there blinking through his
deformities. Alex had not grasped how short the man was; he only came up as far as Alex's chest.
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'Thargoids . . .' he whispered.
'Bull,' McGreavy said, and dragged Alex away. 'They're Oresrians, and the one thing that can
make an Oresrian deadly is being confused the way you've just confused them, with their deadly
enemies the Thargoids. Check the thorax markings and the shape of the fourth joint on each hind
leg before you jump to conclusions again . . .'

 

[Louis Calvert]

On my PDF version on the phone it's on page 839.

Bill Turner says: «Strictly speaking they are the Oresrians, at least, that’s what they call themselves, as near as we can render it in our language. Thargoid is a crass term we humans came up with.»

The stuff with The Club isn't far from that, very near the end.

 

[ModishNouns]

I'm going to have read OotD, aren't I?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I’ve been trying to think of a reason why the Thargoids are happily scooping up escape pods.

Maybe they’re trying to build an army out of ‘conscripted’ pilots. They are at war, and they’re supposed to be a hive mind. If minds can be added to the network, like the old Guardian tech, the pilots in the escape pods might be being utilised to ‘virtual presence’ fly the organic Thargoid ships to fight in their war.

That might make sense of the fact that Wreaken is building Imp and Fed ships (according to Premonition) in the Col70 sector which is permit locked to the rest of us and is also supposedly where the goids are mustering. These human ships might be for the goid abductees,
or maybe not...

 

[ModishNouns]

Can you show me? Tell me the page in the book.

Spoiler

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I'm going to have read OotD, aren't I?

Is that a rhetorical question?
It is just about the best Elite book (IMHO)

 

[ModishNouns]

Is that a rhetorical question?
It is just about the best Elite book (IMHO)

Well it's kind of rhetorical as I'm coming to realise it's unavoidable.

I've read the Amazon extract a few times and it's just awfully written :-/

Moira put her tongue between her teeth and bit down, using the pain to focus on not tearing the man's head from his neck.

Really? I know how she feels.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Well it's kind of rhetorical as I'm coming to realise it's unavoidable.

I've read the Amazon extract a few times and it's just awfully written :-/

Yes that's exactly what put me off too.

 

[jojon]

So... Leopard pattern. :7

 

[CMDR Poet Starwind]

Well, if Jorki is here, then I'd better post here too

Out in The Tenebris now, and I've found a curious path of jumponium only systems leading through its void. It reminds me of the Rift, and cautiously stepping system by system through the dark. On my way to the Wilds; what might be lurking there?

 

[Louis Calvert]

Well, if Jorki is here, then I'd better post here too

Out in The Tenebris now, and I've found a curious path of jumponium only systems leading through its void. It reminds me of the Rift, and cautiously stepping system by system through the dark. On my way to the Wilds; what might be lurking there?

Kalaxians :/ lol

 

[ExoForce]

We are ducked. Warlike Klaxians are coming.