Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery

[Han_Zen]

Please can you supply these sources? AFAIK it's just two of the novels and the information in those are from what I would call questionable sources.

You're right, A Turner may know more. But he's not The Turner, he's a son (unconfirmed), and therefore may not have any special knowledge.

The quest class ship is just a nod to FFE and in ED lore doesn't mean anything, certainly not proof of anything (though I'd love it if they did introduce that into the narrative!)

No-one in game, including experts in the field of Zeno biology and Thargoids has ever mentioned factions or any names for them other than Thargoids. Even DB himself only ever calls them Thargoids.

Carl Linnaeus is hardly a questionable source. He has Thargoids working in his base and guarding it. These guard ships and their attack drones are vitnesed by several others.

This happened in 3275, I think. I see no reason why he should give the Thargoids a fake name.
All his info on the Klaxians are from the Oresrians. That is the weak link in the tale.

We have no first hand witnes reports on the Klaxians. When all we know of them is from what their enemy have told us, it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Carl Linnaeus is hardly a questionable source. He has Thargoids working in his base and guarding it. These guard ships and their attack drones are vitnesed by several others.

This happened in 3275, I think. I see no reason why he should give the Thargoids a fake name.
All his info on the Klaxians are from the Oresrians. That is the weak link in the tale.

We have no first hand witnes reports on the Klaxians. When all we know of them is from what their enemy have told us, it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

What's the source of this info?

 

[Han_Zen]

What's the source of this info?

Out of the Darkness.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Out of the Darkness.

The issue there is that it was written before ED launched, like Reclamation. In that book there's a considerable amount that doesn't match up with what's actually in game or game lore, because the authors just didn't know what was going to make it in game.

Also, that book was not published by Frontier, so I think it fits into the bit where they say some books are broadly Lore, but specific elements may differ from what's in game.

There's no way of confirming that until things make it into the game, but just like Reclamation, I expect bits will differ, some quite a lot. Certainly tame Thargoids working for humans in the 3270s doesn't seem to mesh with anything in game so far.

 

[Han_Zen]

The issue there is that it was written before ED launched, like Reclamation. In that book there's a considerable amount that doesn't match up with what's actually in game or game lore, because the authors just didn't know what was going to make it in game.

Also, that book was not published by Frontier, so I think it fits into the bit where they say some books are broadly Lore, but specific elements may differ from what's in game.

There's no way of confirming that until things make it into the game, but just like Reclamation, I expect bits will differ, some quite a lot. Certainly tame Thargoids working for humans in the 3270s doesn't seem to mesh with anything in game so far.

All the authors that wrote before release had access to the writers guide. They also had a publishing lisens, so the publisher is not important. The books are lore. Some things in them(like Panter Clippers and dark systems) haven't made it in to the game yet, but the broad stroke is intact.

This has been debated many times and confirmed by FD. Like in this post:https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-lore-change?p=4081362&viewfull=1#post4081362 and https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-lore-change?p=4088444&viewfull=1#post4088444

 

[psyndor]

Just saying, I've had multiple instant-attacks occur in NHSS recently. Empty cargohold, no weapons out.

Each time I jump in and the Thargoid is behind me. They don't scan me, just instantly pop out the Thargons and go red-ten on me.

They know who you are...
They know where you've been...
They know what you've done...
It's all those probes you've picked up and taken back to the human bubble...
It's all those sensors you've absconded with...
It's all those links you've taken from their installations...
They Know, and are now looking for you...
Good luck with that...

 

[Louis Calvert]

All the authors that wrote before release had access to the writers guide. They also had a publishing lisens, so the publisher is not important. The books are lore. Some things in them(like Panter Clippers and dark systems) haven't made it in to the game yet, but the broad stroke is intact.

This has been debated many times and confirmed by FD. Like in this post:https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-lore-change?p=4081362&viewfull=1#post4081362 and https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-lore-change?p=4088444&viewfull=1#post4088444

I stand corrected, thanks for supplying sources personally, this doesn't feel like it fits with ED lore at all, but what do I know! Lol

 

[lorrad]

They know who you are...
They know where you've been...
They know what you've done...
It's all those probes you've picked up and taken back to the human bubble...
It's all those sensors you've absconded with...
It's all those links you've taken from their installations...
They Know, and are now looking for you...
Good luck with that...

They're Santa!

 

[Humannoyed]

Just taking a coffee break from snatching escape pods under the nose (or whatever they may have) of the thargoids, and one question popped up in my mind - regarding the direction of the thargoids waking out of NHSS5s. Are they heading in a random direction? Does is depend on their "starting position" at the beginning of the encounter? Or are they heading into a designated/general area?

I'm doing my voluntary SAR-patrols for three days now, never came to my mind to keep an eye for that (potential) detail in maybe 150, 200 NHSS5s Just "going in, snatch escape pod, boost and wake", rinse and repeat.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Just taking a coffee break from snatching escape pods under the nose (or whatever they may have) of the thargoids, and one question popped up in my mind - regarding the direction of the thargoids waking out of NHSS5s. Are they heading in a random direction? Does is depend on their "starting position" at the beginning of the encounter? Or are they heading into a designated/general area?

I'm doing my voluntary SAR-patrols for three days now, never came to my mind to keep an eye for that (potential) detail in maybe 150, 200 NHSS5s Just "going in, snatch escape pod, boost and wake", rinse and repeat.

That would be a great thing to track if possible

 

[CMDR RazorTooth]

Oh right. I'm gonna check that other landable anyway, you never know.

I'd just like to add that the surface site on the planet the Gnosis orbits (A2A) is in better condition than most, you can do a full lap of the interior (no cave-ins on the outer interior ring) and there are doors between the center room and the interior ring as well as the exterior doors... not sure if it means anything new or relevant, but perhaps this relatively pristine surface site is what brought the Gnosis to HIP 18778

 

[LordZoltan]

I'd just like to add that the surface site on the planet the Gnosis orbits (A2A) is in better condition than most, you can do a full lap of the interior (no cave-ins on the outer interior ring) and there are doors between the center room and the interior ring as well as the exterior doors... not sure if it means anything new or relevant, but perhaps this relatively pristine surface site is what brought the Gnosis to HIP 18778

The Gnosis goes to all the best SSIs*

* Sites of Scientific Interest

 

[Jmanis]

Yes. They deploy thargons and go red. Do they attack? No. There warning you to back off. ive bene in over 100 NHSSs and let me tell you they do NOT attack on sight

Nope. They've definitely attacked me on sight.

First time I was looking for a fight and opened fire anyway, but second time I was in my Explorer Asp which can't stand up to a fight. All I did was boost away and high-wake, but not before the Thargon swarm had closed and done some damage.

 

[M. Volgrand]

Hello all!

Have a little update from the Thargoid Interaction Data Gathering project.

OBSERVATIONS UPDATE:

Following the Thargoid bases, as proposed by LCU and using his EDMC addon, have already granted results. It is clear that the aliens seem to actually act in the systems where alien bases are present. The 3d Map already looks more like an sphere, which seems to confirm that their attack are spread all around the UA shell (about 150LY around Merope). There are no clear reports of alien attacks outside this shell, the reasons are unknown.

And here, a gif with a 3d Map of the thargoid presence to date. The gif is centered in Merope.

 

[spameroo]

Just taking a coffee break from snatching escape pods under the nose (or whatever they may have) of the thargoids, and one question popped up in my mind - regarding the direction of the thargoids waking out of NHSS5s. Are they heading in a random direction? Does is depend on their "starting position" at the beginning of the encounter? Or are they heading into a designated/general area?

I'm doing my voluntary SAR-patrols for three days now, never came to my mind to keep an eye for that (potential) detail in maybe 150, 200 NHSS5s Just "going in, snatch escape pod, boost and wake", rinse and repeat.

I haven't been in nearly as many NHSSs, probably less than 10 with a thargoid who I watched wake out, but IIRC they've always jumped out straight to the right from the perspective when I dropped in. Doesn't seem oriented to anything more than that, but I might be wrong.

 

[RedWizzard]

Edit: oh and no, we don't have evidence they're hostile. We have a lot of circumstantial evidence they're hostile in certain situations. We have been stealing their stuff and blasting them with Guardian tech weaponry for a while now. If the roles were reversed I'm pretty sure we'd already have carpet bombed their installations by this point. So attacking a few ships is quite restrained.

We have plenty of evidence they were hostile to ships that posed no threat (i.e. before Aegis weapons appeared). You can argue the use of weapons that are incapable of damaging the Thargoids was justification for the lethal response, but in my view it is akin to fatally shooting someone who attacked you with a water pistol. There is no doubt they drew first blood, provoked or not.

 

[Keybuk]

Have to side with the cookster on this one - haven't come across any thargoids going red unless I get too close. Video of it happening would be interesting.

I've been attacked and destroyed while my ship was at full stop. Thargoid approached me, went hostile, deployed drones, etc.

 

[Hippocrates]

I've been attacked and destroyed while my ship was at full stop. Thargoid approached me, went hostile, deployed drones, etc.

Sounds like you didn't get the message to back off, or had thargoid parts in your ship. Going red and releasing drones is still only a warning and if you back off they will leave you alone.

 

[fieval]

Sounds like you didn't get the message to back off, or had thargoid parts in your ship. Going red and releasing drones is still only a warning and if you back off they will leave you alone.

Have to agree with this.

So far, In my experiences with the Flower ships, if within about 450 - 500 Mtrs the Thargoid will flash red and deploy Thargoid swarm, but nothing else.

Once it decides to get angry it begins shooting at you (some red death rays from the few I have collected front on...).

The Tharg swarm can hit you if you are too close (which also sends the Thargoid into attack mode... cue Red death rays!).

 

[Jmanis]

Have to agree with this.

So far, In my experiences with the Flower ships, if within about 450 - 500 Mtrs the Thargoid will flash red and deploy Thargoid swarm, but nothing else.

Once it decides to get angry it begins shooting at you (some red death rays from the few I have collected front on...).

The Tharg swarm can hit you if you are too close (which also sends the Thargoid into attack mode... cue Red death rays!).

I'll try and get some video of the openly-hostile thargoids tonight. I tried backing off when the last one instantly deployed drones on-entry and it kept closing. Disengaging simply wasn't an option.

It didn't even try to scan my ship's cargo.