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We have plenty of evidence they were hostile to ships that posed no threat (i.e. before Aegis weapons appeared). You can argue the use of weapons that are incapable of damaging the Thargoids was justification for the lethal response, but in my view it is akin to fatally shooting someone who attacked you with a water pistol. There is no doubt they drew first blood, provoked or not.

Weapons or not. There is no doubt that a lengthy invasion of their 500m intimacy zone will trigger an attack. Carrying a Thargoid Probe, Scanner or Link also seem to be a fail safe way to get on their wrong side. They don't like to be probed either(funny that).

There is still no evidence that they attack commanders based on their personal history, but I would not discount it. It seems that some of us never experience any hostilities, while others gets attacked without warning.
 
Well I've not been attacked. But then I've not left the bubble because I'm a coward still getting materials :)

I'm also suspicious that we've only ever seen an aftermath of a big incident; but to be fair the Thargs are reasonably quick to go monkey poo once you commit a transgression - and getting 'a bit close' is a bit on the high-maintenance end of the spectrum!

With confirmation of INRA's existence, current or not, what frustrates me (as a commander 'inside' the story) is that we didn't get a chance *not* to be the aggressors. So we can't know if the behaviour we see in all cases is genuinely because the Thargs are naturally hateful or if they're responding to something that's already been done by humans who are just ideologically opposed to the very existence of a species other than humanity.

Of course, as with the Klingons in Star Trek, we might just need to kick some alien rear-end in order to get their 'respect'.

I'm more interested in the motivation of the current crop of Interceptors which leads them to collect escape pods etc. I *don't* think the Thargs we see are responsible for killing the ships, but I do now think it is the result of Tharg damage - probably from these new Thargs. I'm not gonna call them Klaxxians or whatever, because at the moment that's nought but third-hand rumour.

But in my view, if there are two variants of Tharg, then we might want the less-scary variant's help in dealing with the warmongers; so understanding them is more important than killing them right now I think.
 
Has anyone been insta-attacked after a Hyperdiction?
This would rule out any boundary violation and suggest that either the commander has got a mark on them or the particular Thargoid is Psycho...
 
Got the video, editing and uploading now.

You'll just have to scroll to 4:00 yourself... my 4-week old copilot is being surly.

Notes:
- "Scan Detected" is a Thargoid Sensor in the NHSS.
- I'm not even flying toward the Thargoid when it's Thargons get deployed. I hard reverse as soon as I can see it.
- It only really begins engagement at 2.5km
- I tried to get a scan of it before I left, to see if it bore any similarity to the one I killed. But my conda isn't agile enough to maintain < 500m when shots are fired.
- My hardpoints never deploy, and my cargohold is empty. It never scans me.

[video=youtube_share;U1IyVtddEXk]https://youtu.be/U1IyVtddEXk[/video]
 
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Interesting...

So I assume you have done the usual? (Interacted with UA and UP and UL and Barnies? Maybe Hyperdiction?)
But, you have also killed a Flower Ship at some stage?

Also, do you recall how close the Thargoid Sensor was to yourself and the Tharg??

I have done all but the kill a Flower Ship, and have not had a hostile interaction (yet...!)
 
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Well I've not been attacked. But then I've not left the bubble because I'm a coward still getting materials :)
I'm not gonna call them Klaxxians or whatever, because at the moment that's nought but third-hand rumour.

That's going to get you bumped off of Drew Wagar's Christmas card list!

I don't want to risk spoiling anyone elses fun reading the book, so I won't give details, but I thought his stuff was canon. Has that changed? He only uses one "x" by the way ;)
 
Interesting...

So I assume you have done the usual? (Interacted with UA and UP and UL and Barnies? Maybe Hyperdiction?)
But, you have also killed a Flower Ship at some stage?

I have done all but the kill a Flower Ship, and have not had a hostile interaction (yet...!)
Did you do Ram Tah quest?
 
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Interesting...

So I assume you have done the usual? (Interacted with UA and UP and UL and Barnies? Maybe Hyperdiction?)
But, you have also killed a Flower Ship at some stage?

I have done all but the kill a Flower Ship, and have not had a hostile interaction (yet...!)

I almost went as far as saying that, but this happened *before* I killed a Thargoid (not that video, but I had encountered this behaviour before I killed one). I first encountered it when in my Python, which wasn't capable of taking down a Thargoid.

I'm all over UA/UP/UL/Barnies and been hyperdicted several times now. I never did the Ram Tah quest, mostly out of pure frustration with it never being finishable in solo until almost immediately before they nerfed the reward. Though I did go there and get a lot of scans etc.
 
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Did you do Ram Tah quest?

No, I have been to Guardian Ruins sites and have picked up artifacts but did not have the drive/inclination to go with Ram Tah's quest (Engineers was bad enough!!).

Can you recall how close to the Thargoid Sensor you were? (although if you have been attacked before this is probably irrelevant).

I got attacked when I got too close to a Thargoid sensor, did not even try to pick it up!

Actually... has anyone dropped in with Guardian Artifacts on board? What was the Flower Ship response?? (I may have to try this...)
 
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That's going to get you bumped off of Drew Wagar's Christmas card list!

I don't want to risk spoiling anyone elses fun reading the book, so I won't give details, but I thought his stuff was canon. Has that changed? He only uses one "x" by the way ;)

Ah it's cool, I met him (along with loads of other people obviously!!) the other day, we're cool :)

But what I mean about third-hand rumour isn't re Drew; I mean strictly within the fourth wall.

As far as the in-game narrative goes at the moment, they don't exist. That doesn't mean they don't :)
 
I'm questioning this because I know that Klaxians and Oresrians are actually from Elite (original) (actually the accompanying short story, not even in-game AFAIK), and that was retconned totally out of the game in FE2 and FFE (I could be wrong but I don't think they were called anything but Thargoids in FFE and were absent from FE2 entirely) - BUT Fan Fiction stories continued Klaxians and Oresrians material in games like Oolite etc., including material by Drew Wagar, who later wrote Premonition where he used the idea from the original elite/fan fiction of the Klaxians and Oresrians..

Not quite accurate.

Oresrians were in the original Dark Wheel novella (alongside the original Elite game) as distinct from Thargoids. They were supposedly a peaceful race similar in appearance to Thargoids. As such they both will appear in some fan-fic by me and other authors.

Klaxians, however, are only present in ED lore.

Within ED, Klaxians and Oresrians have been revealed to be subsets of the generic term 'Thargoid' (so the Dark Wheel description of the Oresrians has been retconned). Also bear in mind these are human names for alien creatures. Those creatures are unlikely to use such terms themselves. ;)

The only two books referring to the Klaxians and Oresrians are T. James' "Out of the Darkness" and my "Premonition". These are based on the lore of the game and can be considered canon in this regard. However, readers should be cautious in assuming that a statement on the Thargoids (Klaxian or Oresrian) by a character in a book is specifically correct in detail. They might be, but that character could be wrong, or lying for their own reasons. The books aren't 'pure lore', they are narratives of events in the ED universe.

Also, many of those characters are in privileged positions of knowledge, which is not available to Commanders in their ships. As such, until your ships' HUD clearly indicates "Oresrian" or "Klaxian" or something else (perhaps by some Galnet or pilots federation universal ID update or something), I think it's fair game to speculate on whether what we're seeing in game is attributable to those labels or not.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Drew.
 
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Not quite accurate.

Oresrians were in the original Dark Wheel novella (alongside the original Elite game) as distinct from Thargoids. They were supposedly a peaceful race similar in appearance to Thargoids. As such they both will appear in some fan-fic by me and other authors.

Klaxians, however, are only present in ED lore.

Within ED, Klaxians and Oresrians have been revealed to be subsets of the generic term 'Thargoid' (so the Dark Wheel description of the Oresrians has been retconned). Also bear in mind these are human names for alien creatures. Those creatures are unlikely to use such terms themselves. ;)

The only two books referring to the Klaxians and Oresrians are T. James' "Out of the Darkness" and my "Premonition". These are based on the lore of the game and can be considered canon in this regard. However, readers should be cautious in assuming that a statement on the Thargoids (Klaxian or Oresrian) by a character in a book is specifically correct in detail. They might be, but that character could be wrong, or lying for their own reasons. The books aren't 'pure lore', they are narratives of events in the ED universe.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Drew.

Hi Drew.

I've been skeptical to the information about Klaxians given by book characters, because it all seems to be second hand info from the Oresrians. Would you say it's a fair assumption that no humans have ever met a Klaxian?
 
Not quite accurate.

Oresrians were in the original Dark Wheel novella (alongside the original Elite game) as distinct from Thargoids. They were supposedly a peaceful race similar in appearance to Thargoids. As such they both will appear in some fan-fic by me and other authors.

Klaxians, however, are only present in ED lore.

Within ED, Klaxians and Oresrians have been revealed to be subsets of the generic term 'Thargoid' (so the Dark Wheel description of the Oresrians has been retconned). Also bear in mind these are human names for alien creatures. Those creatures are unlikely to use such terms themselves. ;)

The only two books referring to the Klaxians and Oresrians are T. James' "Out of the Darkness" and my "Premonition". These are based on the lore of the game and can be considered canon in this regard. However, readers should be cautious in assuming that a statement on the Thargoids (Klaxian or Oresrian) by a character in a book is specifically correct in detail. They might be, but that character could be wrong, or lying for their own reasons. The books aren't 'pure lore', they are narratives of events in the ED universe.

Also, many of those characters are in privileged positions of knowledge, which is not available to Commanders in their ships. As such, until your ships' HUD clearly indicates "Oresrian" or "Klaxian" or something else (perhaps by some Galnet or pilots federation universal ID update or something), I think it's fair game to speculate on whether what we're seeing in game is attributable to those labels or not.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Drew.

Good to know! Thanks drew!
 
Hi Drew.

I've been skeptical to the information about Klaxians given by book characters, because it all seems to be second hand info from the Oresrians. Would you say it's a fair assumption that no humans have ever met a Klaxian?

It's an assumption. ;) Specifically I can't comment I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Drew.
 
The behavior of the thargoids reminded me of the behavior of animals, how they deal with their affairs, protect their prey, grab the handouts and ignore the pilot if he keeps at a distance. And after 2.4 teaser, where they showed new thargoids, I was assured of my assumption, only they are not quite animals, they are just working individuals of the swarm. Workers with limited functionality and perhaps limited intelligence. And soon we will meet with fighters of swarm?
 
Not quite accurate.

Oresrians were in the original Dark Wheel novella (alongside the original Elite game) as distinct from Thargoids. They were supposedly a peaceful race similar in appearance to Thargoids. As such they both will appear in some fan-fic by me and other authors.

Klaxians, however, are only present in ED lore.

Within ED, Klaxians and Oresrians have been revealed to be subsets of the generic term 'Thargoid' (so the Dark Wheel description of the Oresrians has been retconned). Also bear in mind these are human names for alien creatures. Those creatures are unlikely to use such terms themselves. ;)

The only two books referring to the Klaxians and Oresrians are T. James' "Out of the Darkness" and my "Premonition". These are based on the lore of the game and can be considered canon in this regard. However, readers should be cautious in assuming that a statement on the Thargoids (Klaxian or Oresrian) by a character in a book is specifically correct in detail. They might be, but that character could be wrong, or lying for their own reasons. The books aren't 'pure lore', they are narratives of events in the ED universe.

Also, many of those characters are in privileged positions of knowledge, which is not available to Commanders in their ships. As such, until your ships' HUD clearly indicates "Oresrian" or "Klaxian" or something else (perhaps by some Galnet or pilots federation universal ID update or something), I think it's fair game to speculate on whether what we're seeing in game is attributable to those labels or not.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Drew.

Have said it before, but if what was being called 'Thargoids' in TDW were Klaxxians, then given that it sets out the Oresrians and Thargoids being virtually indistinguishable, enemies, and mistaken identity as being a regular problem, the whole thing stacks up rather well.

Am I just being crazy? ;)
 
What do you recommend we do? Attack? Or Stay Cautious? ;)

If these really are representatives of the Oresrians and Klaxians, we need to fully understand their relationship, and whether we want to play a part in it. Right now I'd say we need more intel.

Cheers,

Drew.

Have said it before, but if what was being called 'Thargoids' in TDW were Klaxxians, then given that it sets out the Oresrians and Thargoids being virtually indistinguishable, enemies, and mistaken identity as being a regular problem, the whole thing stacks up rather well.

Am I just being crazy? ;)

Bear in mind that ED has been described as "inspired by what went before, but not bound by it." I don't think you're far off the mark. :)

Cheers,

Drew.
 
Not quite accurate.

Oresrians were in the original Dark Wheel novella (alongside the original Elite game) as distinct from Thargoids. They were supposedly a peaceful race similar in appearance to Thargoids. As such they both will appear in some fan-fic by me and other authors.

Klaxians, however, are only present in ED lore.

Within ED, Klaxians and Oresrians have been revealed to be subsets of the generic term 'Thargoid' (so the Dark Wheel description of the Oresrians has been retconned). Also bear in mind these are human names for alien creatures. Those creatures are unlikely to use such terms themselves. ;)

The only two books referring to the Klaxians and Oresrians are T. James' "Out of the Darkness" and my "Premonition". These are based on the lore of the game and can be considered canon in this regard. However, readers should be cautious in assuming that a statement on the Thargoids (Klaxian or Oresrian) by a character in a book is specifically correct in detail. They might be, but that character could be wrong, or lying for their own reasons. The books aren't 'pure lore', they are narratives of events in the ED universe.

Also, many of those characters are in privileged positions of knowledge, which is not available to Commanders in their ships. As such, until your ships' HUD clearly indicates "Oresrian" or "Klaxian" or something else (perhaps by some Galnet or pilots federation universal ID update or something), I think it's fair game to speculate on whether what we're seeing in game is attributable to those labels or not.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Drew.

This is exactly my interpretation - thank you, as ever, Drew :thumbsup:

And it was great to meet you and your sub-cmdrs the other day :)
 
Hello all!

Have a little update from the Thargoid Interaction Data Gathering project.



And here, a gif with a 3d Map of the thargoid presence to date. The gif is centered in Merope.

https://j.gifs.com/nrQMrl.gif

Awesome work!

This matches my own experience of where and when interactions are occurring. I've been out scouting around Col70 borders (with the USS plugin active), all the way down through the Witch Head nebula to Barnard's Loop and didn't have any interactions with Thargoids at all except within 100ly or so of Merope.

For me, it feels very much like they are emerging in the Pleiades - but I'm not sure what that means for the Col70 signal since I'd always assumed that was their origin.

Not quite accurate.

Oresrians were in the original Dark Wheel novella (alongside the original Elite game) as distinct from Thargoids. They were supposedly a peaceful race similar in appearance to Thargoids. As such they both will appear in some fan-fic by me and other authors.

Klaxians, however, are only present in ED lore.

Within ED, Klaxians and Oresrians have been revealed to be subsets of the generic term 'Thargoid' (so the Dark Wheel description of the Oresrians has been retconned). Also bear in mind these are human names for alien creatures. Those creatures are unlikely to use such terms themselves. ;)

The only two books referring to the Klaxians and Oresrians are T. James' "Out of the Darkness" and my "Premonition". These are based on the lore of the game and can be considered canon in this regard. However, readers should be cautious in assuming that a statement on the Thargoids (Klaxian or Oresrian) by a character in a book is specifically correct in detail. They might be, but that character could be wrong, or lying for their own reasons. The books aren't 'pure lore', they are narratives of events in the ED universe.

Also, many of those characters are in privileged positions of knowledge, which is not available to Commanders in their ships. As such, until your ships' HUD clearly indicates "Oresrian" or "Klaxian" or something else (perhaps by some Galnet or pilots federation universal ID update or something), I think it's fair game to speculate on whether what we're seeing in game is attributable to those labels or not.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Drew.

Awesome, good to hear from the horses mouth, so to speak. Thanks Drew :)
 
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