Live stream format change - Ed

[Genar-Hofoen]

Considering FD have never fully tried to land crime and punishment with longer trend of consequences and 2.4 gives first dip into this I would not call it over yet.

So theory is this - we will have karma. It will be calculated from your actions within game - combat logging, player attacking, stream snipping - add change in karma will have consequences. See is as 'fame' if you will. It can be then added into game logic and having weighted response to basically everything.

We know system security will have better weapons and ships. Most likely heavily modified engineered ships will trigger alpha teams from police.

Long term idea is to make karma impact your rep in human space, all your minor faction reps aside. You will just face stronger pushback when being a jerk.

So a karma system wouldn't really work in Anarchy space, which is basically 99.9999999% of the gaming world? Sounds awesome to me! Unless of course karma would still measure rabid killing of explorers out in the void, for example.

Also, no karma system will prevent stream sniping, which this thread is all about - only severe and swift stompings on the stream snipers by Frontier will cure that one.

 

[PeLucheuh]

I have dream where the majority of players including streamers can enjoy Open and dont feel the need to go to private to enjoy this wonderful game.

Everyone can already enjoy Open.
People who feel the need to go to private while complaining about Open are just too lazy to get better and prefer to blame others or the game than face their own weakness.

The game already all the tools to survive. It is up to players to use them

I am streaming in Open and have no issue with stream sniper. How is this possible ???

 

[Tadeus72]

Special actions again stream snipers won't happen.

1. It's not against the rules.
2. It would be unfair to all the normal players that die out there and no one cares. An Fdev employee that is playing the game shouldn't receive any special treatment or out-of-game protection. The moment he logs in he is a player like everyone else - that's the whole point of it.

 

[NeilF]

Folks - Was there a livestream last night? Please don't tell me they're now being announced in some other fashion, or not even being announced at all?!?

So a karma system wouldn't really work in Anarchy space, which is basically 99.9999999% of the gaming world? Sounds awesome to me! Unless of course karma would still measure rabid killing of explorers out in the void, for example.

Also, no karma system will prevent stream sniping, which this thread is all about - only severe and swift stompings on the stream snipers by Frontier will cure that one.

A karma system should be applied to anarchy, that's one of the big issues as you point out... From a logic point of view it makes sense, and from a gameplay outcome it makes sense...

The fact FD have in the same sentence said they don't current intend their new Karma mechanic to be employed in anarchy systems, and instead need to "work something else out" just seems bizarre to me. Just apply the Karma mechanic there too! Done!

 

[Lunchmoney]

... Besides, open is the official mode of the game.

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Link to this please? I was under the impression that all game modes are official game modes.

edit: Carried on reading after posting this and I see was asked more than once. Cannot see that ALGOMATIC answered. Apologies if I missed that answer.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Everyone can already enjoy Open.
People who feel the need to go to private while complaining about Open are just too lazy to get better and prefer to blame others or the game than face their own weakness.

The game already all the tools to survive. It is up to players to use them
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/987/overcome.jpg

Buwahaha. It's a video game remember?
Lazy? Weakness? You keyboard heroes should really talk less about your video game manliness.
It truly sounds dumb and does not help your cause.
You want to play in Open? Go ahead! No one cares.
Only you and a few others seem concerned about how others play their game.
Let people play how they want - it's their game.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

So a karma system wouldn't really work in Anarchy space, which is basically 99.9999999% of the gaming world? Sounds awesome to me! Unless of course karma would still measure rabid killing of explorers out in the void, for example.

Also, no karma system will prevent stream sniping, which this thread is all about - only severe and swift stompings on the stream snipers by Frontier will cure that one.

Add -20 for stream snipping and see guys being driven out from human space. At least that's how I see it working.

As for anarchies it is where it is getting interesting. Currently in game anarchy is just not really pure anarchy in human bubble. Some response is possible there. Also despite system being in anarchy, stations are owned by someone, most likely not aligned with ideas of anarchy.

I don't expect Q1 to get everything right. Sidewinder suicide fix has worked at some extent, but still has issues - which variant future improvements. It will be a long road but I think it is a road worth taking and it seems FD agrees.

As for FD official streams I think it is up to Ed to decide what he wants to do - if he wants to show off new features, better do it in controlled environment. If he wants just to fool around, then do it in Open. Modes are there for a reason. I see Private and Solo as fallbacks for me if I would getting ganked and getting annoyed.

 

[Aashenfox]

I am streaming in Open and have no issue with stream sniper. How is this possible ???

Er....cos you're famously excellent pilot and anyone trying to grief you is in for a nasty shock?

lol?

 

[Codger]

Oddly enough, considering that I'm pretty much a PVE-only player and not interested in PVP much, I actually think they should continue to stream in Open because it does show the game as it is -- and highlights the problems.

Open is going to continue to be part of the game (obviously), so then the problems with C&P need to be addressed and the constant ganking during Ed's streams shows this in rather pointed fashion.

I agree 100% with OP's annoyance at the stream sniping. I'd much rather see the actual content that Ed wants to show us than watch the lulzbunnies kill Ed again.

But, it's really up to Frontier to fix it, and pretending that Open isn't a consequence-free anarchy zone by doing the streams in a Private Group doesn't fix anything.

That said, if they don't fix it, and continue to let the streams be interrupted and made useless/boring for anyone not interested in watching Ed die again -- well, I won't bother to watch.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Everyone can already enjoy Open.
People who feel the need to go to private while complaining about Open are just too lazy to get better and prefer to blame others or the game than face their own weakness.

This does have an element of truth in it, and I doubt anyone disagrees with you that much. In fact those rare times where I'm playing the game now I'm increasingly playing in Open, with toughened ships and some experience in tactics to get out of a sticky situation (apart from that one time I was backstabbed recently by a scoundrel who blew up my Conda which was already weakened by a Thargoid, the bounder! ).

I wouldn't go as far as to say folks are being lazy though - that strikes me as painting a lot of players with a very large brush. A lot of players simply don't want to be playing a multi-player version of the game, for various perfectly valid reasons.

Similarly with the 'weakness' noun you also just used. Really painting with a large brush there and you should at least acknowledge that a lot of other players have vastly different aims in the game compared to your good self

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Add -20 for stream snipping and see guys being driven out from human space. At least that's how I see it working.

As for anarchies it is where it is getting interesting. Currently in game anarchy is just not really pure anarchy in human bubble. Some response is possible there. Also despite system being in anarchy, stations are owned by someone, most likely not aligned with ideas of anarchy.

I don't expect Q1 to get everything right. Sidewinder suicide fix has worked at some extent, but still has issues - which variant future improvements. It will be a long road but I think it is a road worth taking and it seems FD agrees.

As for FD official streams I think it is up to Ed to decide what he wants to do - if he wants to show off new features, better do it in controlled environment. If he wants just to fool around, then do it in Open. Modes are there for a reason. I see Private and Solo as fallbacks for me if I would getting ganked and getting annoyed.

How is the game client going to tell if its owner is stream sniping?

And by Anarchy I'm not just talking about Anarchy systems in the Bubble, I'm talking about every star system which is uninhabited, which comprises more than 99% of the ED galaxy. Or is that Lawless?

 

[PeLucheuh]

Buwahaha. It's a video game remember?
Lazy? Weakness? You keyboard heroes should really talk less about your video game manliness.
It truly sounds dumb and does not help your cause.
You want to play in Open? Go ahead! No one cares.
Only you and a few others seem concerned about how others play their game.
Let people play how they want - it's their game.

It's Frontier's game [yesnod]

Open is fine as it is. A crime/punishment/reward would make things more interesting though.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Everyone can already enjoy Open.
People who feel the need to go to private while complaining about Open are just too lazy to get better and prefer to blame others or the game than face their own weakness.

Hey now!

Parodying you guys is my thing. Stop stealing my thunder! [mad]

bolts and lightning, very very frightning

 

[EUS]

Nope, he should remain in open, the streams showcase the lack of consequences this game has.
I don't care about "what's coming" in future releases, whether C&P and karma will ever be implemented or viable, this is the game for sale today.
Yes he's targeted more, so what? Where's his fanbase? His protection? Wingmates?
Probably trying in vain to get instanced?

 

[Theodrid]

Everyone can already enjoy Open.
People who feel the need to go to private while complaining about Open are just too lazy to get better and prefer to blame others or the game than face their own weakness.

The game already all the tools to survive. It is up to players to use them
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/987/overcome.jpg

I am streaming in Open and have no issue with stream sniper. How is this possible ???

Damn, that post filled so much of my Forum Pro Bro Meme Bingo card, just missed out on the prize though as you don't have an all caps shouty forum name.

 

[Achilles7]

Everyone can already enjoy Open.
People who feel the need to go to private while complaining about Open are just too lazy to get better and prefer to blame others or the game than face their own weakness.

The game already all the tools to survive. It is up to players to use them
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/987/overcome.jpg

I am streaming in Open and have no issue with stream sniper. How is this possible ???

Never take advice from someone who drinks his own urine!

...not too sure about Bear Grylls' advice either!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Damn, that post filled so much of my Forum Pro Bro Meme Bingo card, just missed out on the prize though as you don't have an all caps shouty forum name.

Needed more cowardbell.

 

[EUS]

Needed more cowardbell.

And chest hair.

 

[Obsidian Ant]

I am streaming in Open and have no issue with stream sniper. How is this possible ???

Because you are not being harassed. Wonderful isn't it!

 

[PeLucheuh]

I wouldn't go as far as to say folks are being lazy though - that strikes me as painting a lot of players with a very large brush. A lot of players simply don't want to be playing a multi-player version of the game, for various perfectly valid reasons.

Similarly with the 'weakness' noun you also just used. Really painting with a large brush there and you should at least acknowledge that a lot of other players have vastly different aims in the game compared to your good self

That's why i wrote "while complaining about Open".