Live stream format change - Ed

[smiths121]

1000 hours, 2 bil in assets, almost all engineers are unlocked and ranked to grade 5, did many CGs, farmed many NPCs (Dangerous - almost Deadly in combat rank), I was part of a BGS group.

None of those present challenge except fighting with other CMDRs. I didn't design this game, it is what it is.

Well technically you asked what to do, not what challenge is there when i am waiting 1 hour/30 minutes for my ship?

If you are going to move the goalposts, and limit options to only one aspect of the game, then a couple of suggestions for you.

1) Plan - arrange a duel or 10 to keep you entertained whilst waiting for your ship, people you consider the fight a challenge.
2) Planning again, For a more random approach, research the nearest player group, pop onto their discord and begin a conversation about their mother, and point out where you are.

Plenty more, but that should keep you occupied for an hour!

Simon

 

[xzanfr]

Except stream sniping in ED is the same as just killing other players in open, its part of the game and they agreed to it when they chose open mode. There is nothing they can or should do, its not against the rules.

It's Harassment which is against the rules.

 

[Unknown Zombie]

People in here are awfully hung up on Ed's situation being harassment because he's getting stream sniped. This isn't harassment just because he's getting stream sniped. This would be considered harassment even if he was any random player who was simply playing the game.

Let's be clear -- If a person is devoting play time to locating and killing any specific other player purposefully and repeatedly, that is harassment regardless of circumstances. Hunting another player with intent to kill them multiple times in a play session is nothing other than an attempt to cause grief.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

People in here are awfully hung up on Ed's situation being harassment because he's getting stream sniped. This isn't harassment just because he's getting stream sniped. This would be considered harassment even if he was any random player who was simply playing the game.

Let's be clear -- If a person is devoting play time to locating and killing any specific other player purposefully and repeatedly, that is harassment regardless of circumstances. Hunting another player with intent to kill them multiple times in a play session is nothing other than an attempt to cause grief.

How many times is it considered "multiple"?
1, 10, one per hour? What does killing a player multiple times acrually mean in gameplay terms?

How long is a "play session"? 24hrs? 1 week?

Devoting play time for locating: can you prove he was not there by coincidence?

You want to play on technicalty? You will loose.

If this guy who killed Ed was in fact harassing him, was he actyally banned? I doubt it.

There are no rules about killing other players, you guys have to get over it.
You can kill anyone, anytime, anywhere, including sidewinders in eravate, including fuel rats, including streamers, open mode is where anything goes.

This is the game, its been like this since beta, and it will continue to be the same with minor adjustments to C&P.

You have other modes if you dont like being shot at:

Solo
PG
Space Engine

 

[NeilF]

People in here are awfully hung up on Ed's situation being harassment because he's getting stream sniped. This isn't harassment just because he's getting stream sniped. This would be considered harassment even if he was any random player who was simply playing the game.

Let's be clear -- If a person is devoting play time to locating and killing any specific other player purposefully and repeatedly, that is harassment regardless of circumstances. Hunting another player with intent to kill them multiple times in a play session is nothing other than an attempt to cause grief.

If you watch the live streams, find the system mentioned each time, go there and destroy any/all CMDRs there, no matter who they are, and this happens to include Ed (or another FD employee) a few times? Is that OK then?

 

[Unknown Zombie]

If you watch the live streams, find the system mentioned each time, go there and destroy any/all CMDRs there, no matter who they are, and this happens to include Ed (or another FD employee) a few times? Is that OK then?

Going to a system and killing any player encountered indiscriminately wouldn't be harassment, that's just called looking for fights. Going to a system and looking for only Ed and interdicting only Ed would be fine, hunting another player isn't out of the question; the behavior only becomes harassment if you continued to target only Ed repeatedly. How much is repeatedly? Well, we need FD to define that officially, but normal reasoning would probably say that if you've killed him three times in fifteen minutes, you're probably overdoing it.

How many times is it considered "multiple"?
1, 10, one per hour? What does killing a player multiple times acrually mean in gameplay terms?

How long is a "play session"? 24hrs? 1 week?

Devoting play time for locating: can you prove he was not there by coincidence?

You want to play on technicalty? You will loose.

If this guy who killed Ed was in fact harassing him, was he actyally banned? I doubt it.

There are no rules about killing other players, you guys have to get over it.
You can kill anyone, anytime, anywhere, including sidewinders in eravate, including fuel rats, including streamers, open mode is where anything goes.

This is the game, its been like this since beta, and it will continue to be the same with minor adjustments to C&P.

You have other modes if you dont like being shot at:

Solo
PG
Space Engine

A play session is just what it sounds like, when you sit down in your chair and fire up the game. The play session lasts until you are finished playing the game for the time being. If your play sessions last 24 hours or longer, you may need help.

There is a problem with the rules in how they are defined currently. They are too open to interpretation and they rely on a player being honest about their intentions during gameplay. I am not arguing that the rules need to be made more clear, I am simply arguing that the rules won't only apply to players that are streaming, and this situation would be the same for any player who wasn't streaming. It's just that this situation gained much more visibility since it was on stream.

 

[PeLucheuh]

If you watch the live streams, find the system mentioned each time, go there and destroy any/all CMDRs there, no matter who they are, and this happens to include Ed (or another FD employee) a few times? Is that OK then?

Ed answer : https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/78u9lc/humor_state_of_the_game_by_ed_lewis/doxfoyr/

It's a good question. I don't believe we should ban people from stream sniping... that doesn't mean I agree with it, or promote it... not at all, I just think it's not a bannable offence. I know that it's something of a problem, believe me, I do, but the streamers have the same tools as everyone else to choose whether they stream in Open, Solo or Private Groups too.

"Streamer's responsability"

 

[PeLucheuh]

It's Harassment which is against the rules.

This is not considered harassment by frontier. It can be under certain circumstances :

In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment. A perfect example of this is deliberately attempting to disrupt public livestreams such as the charity ones mentioned before. This includes, but is not limited to, the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset or gain notoriety through the actions listed above.

 

[xzanfr]

This is not considered harassment by frontier. It can be under certain circumstances :

In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment. A perfect example of this is deliberately attempting to disrupt public livestreams such as the charity ones mentioned before. This includes, but is not limited to, the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset or gain notoriety through the actions listed above.

You've just quoted the bit that describes it as harassment.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

You've just quoted the bit that describes it as harassment.

Its not harassment, show me one person who was banned based on this criteria. I can however show you a person who was banned for task killing, just shows that FDEV are capable of banning people they just have different reasons than your interpretation.

 

[Conch]

Ed should hire a hit squad.. everyone that kills Ed gets on a galactic KOS list, everyone can track them and they can only log into Open.

problem solved.

 

[PeLucheuh]

You've just quoted the bit that describes it as harassment.

Read it again, it does not.

 

[xzanfr]

Read it again, it does not.

1st line

 

[Viking84]

There are no rules about killing other players, you guys have to get over it.
You can kill anyone, anytime, anywhere, including sidewinders in eravate, including fuel rats, including streamers, open mode is where anything goes.

This is the game, its been like this since beta, and it will continue to be the same with minor adjustments to C&P.

I hate to agree with Algomatic, but he is right. This is the game as it stands now. I personally dislike the fact that this is how it is, and I dislike the fact that players take advantage of it with no regard for others. But that doesn't change anything, it just means I dislike the current state of Open.

FDev have two ways to rectify this if they want people to interact:

1: Ensure there is a seriously harsh punishment for killing a commander, one that effectively renders further play (and killing a second commander) impossible. This will unfortunately make Open useless for PvP, driving away quite a few players, which I doubt FDev wish to do.
2: Create an Open PvE mode. Anyone who logs onto Open PvP and gets shot up can then rightly be told to git gud.

There are ways to combine the two (PvP flag on/off, or some form of insanely overpowered security force that comes to protect a non-wanted commander by insta-killing the attacker) but honestly I don't think these two player groups want to play together anyway, so just give us Open PvE and be done with it...

 

[sovapid]

Looks like Ed will be picking up an Imperial Courier and doing some engineering.

Good on you Ed and you should be seeing the rebuy screen a lot less.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

I hate to agree with Algomatic, but he is right. This is the game as it stands now. I personally dislike the fact that this is how it is, and I dislike the fact that players take advantage of it with no regard for others. But that doesn't change anything, it just means I dislike the current state of Open.

FDev have two ways to rectify this if they want people to interact:

1: Ensure there is a seriously harsh punishment for killing a commander, one that effectively renders further play (and killing a second commander) impossible. This will unfortunately make Open useless for PvP, driving away quite a few players, which I doubt FDev wish to do.
2: Create an Open PvE mode. Anyone who logs onto Open PvP and gets shot up can then rightly be told to git gud.

There are ways to combine the two (PvP flag on/off, or some form of insanely overpowered security force that comes to protect a non-wanted commander by insta-killing the attacker) but honestly I don't think these two player groups want to play together anyway, so just give us Open PvE and be done with it...

Something has to be done definitely, but none of your suggestions will work.

1. You explained yourself

2. For Open PVE you have 2 options:

1. PVP Flag on/off will not work because people will abuse it, also explain the lore behind no damage taken by other commander, what about ramming? PP pledges? CZ fights? too many variables.

2. Soft mode aka Mobious - official PVE PG by FDEV. FDEV now needs to have dedicated personnel to enforce no PVP in the PVE group, ban people, investigate complaints, watch videos, basically huge amount of work and there are still going to be abusers.


What needs to happen:

A career for space terrorist like they are trying to do it in that other game, a pirate base with good (multi million credit) paying missions inside anarchy systems, missions to murder other commanders (for the fun of it).
High security systems has tough NPCS, no docking allowed for criminals, PVP bounty hunters that hunt said criminals, criminals are forced to advertise their locations.

With those changes some game mechanics have to be changed: Task killing is a bannable offence and FDEV actually enforces it. Menu log off timer is removed from the game. You exit the game mid combat - same as task kill - ban hammer, you have RL issue, too bad you go AFK and you loose your ship.
PGs are removed from the game, SOLO exist for people with poor connections, BGS and PP cannot be affected from SOLO, its an OPEN only activity.

 

[Enderby]

How did today's go?

 

[sovapid]

How did today's go?

Ed in a proper ship showing that escaping is fun:


https://youtu.be/_KVgY3uDIXg?t=2733

 

[PeLucheuh]

Ed in a proper ship showing that escaping is fun:


https://youtu.be/_KVgY3uDIXg?t=2733

I am sorry but it's a lie. It is not possible to survive in Open and it is not fun [yesnod]/s

 

[c3shooter]

It's not my place to tell or even suggest how Ed should perform his Senior Community manager job showcasing one of the best space games ever made in the history of mankind by getting himself and guests blown to smithereens at almost every single show again, again and again.

Never really thought about it but, it is probably bad advertising. "Look at what I great game we have, oh that just killed me again. every week that ......."