Awkward question that really needs an answer
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To be honest, I've seen games with far less than ED as regards content, playability, looks, and updates, and paid a hell of a lot more for them too! I suspect some people are expecting just a little too much for their money. My personal opinion is that ED provides value for my coin - so far! I hope they continue to do so.
(I also do not know what they are going to "Make right"...I wasn't aware of anything wrong.)
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I'm confused by this thread, but to answer @OP (if I'm getting this right): your LEP doesn't entitle you to whatever expansions are released in the next 10 years.
Your LEP entitles you to all expansions. The LEP never mentioned 10 years, it originally didn't even mention seasons and simply covered expansions, a generic term that has evidently come to include seasons, and Frontier never officially mentioned 10 years in any form either (DB once said he'd like to be able to keep developping the game even in ten years' time if the community keeps buying expansions). The LEP should be valid for as long as Frontier is able to continue making expansions for the game.
Now whether the total value of released expasions once Frontier shuts down development eventually matches the price you paid for your LEP, that's of course the gamble you took. I personally decided against buying the LEP, to reserve the right to vote with my wallet if things go in a direction I don't like.
Your LEP entitles you to all expansions. The LEP never mentioned 10 years, it originally didn't even mention seasons and simply covered expansions, a generic term that has evidently come to include seasons, and Frontier never officially mentioned 10 years in any form either (DB once said he'd like to be able to keep developping the game even in ten years' time if the community keeps buying expansions). The LEP should be valid for as long as Frontier is able to continue making expansions for the game.
Now whether the total value of released expasions once Frontier shuts down development eventually matches the price you paid for your LEP, that's of course the gamble you took. I personally decided against buying the LEP, to reserve the right to vote with my wallet if things go in a direction I don't like.
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You arent 'investing time', you are playing a computer game. If you dont like playing the computer game now, do something else. If you then like playing the computer game later, come back to it. Noone owes you anything just because you decide to do or dont play a computer game.
To be honest, I've seen games with far less than ED as regards content, playability, looks, and updates, and paid a hell of a lot more for them too! I suspect some people are expecting just a little too much for their money. My personal opinion is that ED provides value for my coin - so far! I hope they continue to do so.
(I also do not know what they are going to "Make right"...I wasn't aware of anything wrong.)
Even sadder, the issue the OP raises isnt that he doesnt get enough for his money, but that others get it for free as well. And he wants to be compensated for that tragic fate he now suffered: knowing other people have fun. Like those people whose vacation is ruined when they learn someone else on the same plane paid less for their ticket.
There's a current flowing through modern sensibilities that if someone has something good you didn't get (whether realistically deserved or not), that it translates to a direct attack upon them rather than the other person simply having a better deal. It's kind of sad that there's less being happy for others' good fortune, and more of seeing it as a diminishing of your own fortune when nothing has been actually taken away.
True, and this applies everywhere. People feel "attacked" over everything now.
"This person waited for a sale and got this game for less? DISCRIMINATION!!!"
"Your opinion differs from mine? You've practically smacked me in the face!"
etc...
As far as the LEP is concerned, I believe it will net people lots of neat content soon enough. I wish I had an opportunity to nab one, but I play on console. I'll just hope the prices are good. Usually are. :3
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You're not helping my faith in humanity here. >___>
I never said I was attacked, simply that the business model had changed
IF I have lost anything it is that FD wont have the extra monies raised by expansions to develop the game more
You seem to be saying here that microtransactions for cosmetics is essentially the same as a paid subscription model, but in fact the two are fundamentally different.
With a paid subscription model, the ownus is on the customer to pay to get access to the current game content, that content could stay the same for years, but you would still have to pay every time you wanted to see it.
With FD's model, the ownus is on *them* to constantly come up with new content that ppl will want to buy cosmetics for and keep that income stream alive.
I know which model I'm more comfortable with, and tbh I've got huge respect for FD for choosing that path and making it work.
Whatever the actual differences are between a subscription model and a microtransactions model, the one you've created there is forced and based on a deliberately obtuse interpretation of the subscription model in which, for reasons best known to yourself, you decided to completely ignore the fact that developers of subscription games do in fact constantly have to come up with new content to keep players interested and paying.
The onus is on the developer in both cases.
In the subscription model the onus is on the developer to keep producing content which is sufficiently entertaining that players continue to renew their subs; when they fail to do that the game usually moves into free-to-play, as has happened with some high profile subscription games.
In the microtransaction model the onus is on the developer to create sufficiently interesting content that players want to buy it, even though it will often be cosmetic only and have no direct impact on their performance within the game.
I was basing it on the only other one I've ever been persuaded to participate in, which was EVE.
That lasted (for me, obviously) for about 6 months about 10 years ago.
If I didn't pay for that month, I didn't play the game. AFAIK, Eve still works like that, the spam they send me every other month to try and entice me back certainly seems to indicate that. So I doubt I'm the only one who thinks of *that* model when subscriptions are mentioned in this forum. If you are talking about a different model then I thinks it's probably down to you to spell out what that is.
Fair point on the onus being on the developer in both cases, but with FD's model, the onus is definitely *not* on the player, whereas with the subscription model it most certainly *is*. So I think my point still stands.
OP - what is your issue exactly? Nobody here knows what you're asking for.
Do you have a Lifetime Expansion Pass? If not, what do you want/need Frontier to fix?
Yes, because Frontier said no more paid content will drop during or after Beyond. /s
They actually said the opposite. More paid content--not cosmetics, by the way--is coming.
LEP will net you more content. Believe it.
This thread is not what I expected, was about to wax about the birds and the bees.
You might still need to do that, since none of us really know what the OP is going on about.
Source? Because I can't remember they said any of that.
No, they never said that. They said that all future expansions will be free for LEP owners, they never said when they will be released or how much they will cost.