That is exceedingly cool that players did this
It shows the commitment of the community and I'm personally glad that it was done. Shows we can be better then certain other Sci-Fi communities out there who only produce vitriol en masse.
AU Bombing or FD running a protection racket
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It shows the commitment of the community and I'm personally glad that it was done. Shows we can be better then certain other Sci-Fi communities out there who only produce vitriol en masse.
Just so UA Bombers are aware, their activities are broadcasted one week in advance before the actual station shutdown, so that people can take action to reverse it. And I'll let you know that there are people that actually pay attention to those notices and take action, even if we have no connection to the station or faction that owns it. For my own part, I view my deliveries in the same category as the Fuel Rats' operations.
-For instance, I helmed a mission to relieve Tengye Orbital from Thargoid interference. The Ryders of the Void were quite grateful.
-When word came across the line that Dove Enigma was about to shut down, I dropped everything and moved toward Colonia with 52 tons of Meta-Alloy, then contacted some other people I know to help. When it was determined that everything was well in hand, I turned around and dropped my payload at Hind Mine instead, which was also due for shutdown. Then I turned around and dropped another 110 tons off there. Quite pleased that my efforts weren't in vain.
-Then I noticed that Notrach-Ihazevich Research Facility was due for shut down, so I bought a Type-7 and delivered 512 tons to the Imperials. We'll see how that one turns out.
So if any of those stations were the work of the OP, you'll be needing to step your game up. There's some of us who actually read the Galnet.
-For instance, I helmed a mission to relieve Tengye Orbital from Thargoid interference. The Ryders of the Void were quite grateful.
-When word came across the line that Dove Enigma was about to shut down, I dropped everything and moved toward Colonia with 52 tons of Meta-Alloy, then contacted some other people I know to help. When it was determined that everything was well in hand, I turned around and dropped my payload at Hind Mine instead, which was also due for shutdown. Then I turned around and dropped another 110 tons off there. Quite pleased that my efforts weren't in vain.
-Then I noticed that Notrach-Ihazevich Research Facility was due for shut down, so I bought a Type-7 and delivered 512 tons to the Imperials. We'll see how that one turns out.
So if any of those stations were the work of the OP, you'll be needing to step your game up. There's some of us who actually read the Galnet.
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Since all black market trade harms the controlling faction (except in Anarchies once 3.0 is out) ... I assume the black markets realise exactly that!
I'm not sure this is the case.
High Tech or Military economy stations nowadays have a small standing demand for Meta-Alloys. (Including those that have never had a black market so can't possibly have had UAs sold there)
Conversely, stations without those economies in the "Galnet warning" state don't (or at least, The Pit and Dove Enigma out in Colonia didn't)
Ah-hah, so you admit that Frontier are secretly feeding you information to oppose the UA bomber cause!
If you look at the Colonia traffic report (archive https://cdb.sotl.org.uk/systems/1#reporthistory ) then there's a noticeable spike on 31 Jan (the news came in on 30 Jan) above the normal weekday average, which I'd estimate at about 75 ships ... plus more lost in the general noise who couldn't make the journey in a single day. At several hundred meta-alloys each, that would massively overwhelm any bombing attempt.
UA bombing is relatively easy to do ... but even easier for a similar-sized group to reverse. The estimate I've seen is 5 MAs counter 1 UA ... but MAs are considerably more than 5 times easier to transport and obtain than MAs, plus there's a week's warning. And you can deliver the MAs in advance to key infrastructure if necessary.
Demand there had dropped to around 7 when I dropped my last load yesterday, I need to go back and check there is no demand later on.
I'm assuming that the only way to tell when MA bombing is complete is when there is no demand (like Novitski Horizons, Addovii which was listed as in threat on galnet, but had no demand when I turned up with a hold-full of MA - which saved me some CR).
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Hi thanks for your reply,
Undoubtedly when individuals or small groups are bombing to harass a CG I get the need for UA bombing to be limited by FDev and would agree that this should be so.
"act like the victim" oh I can read so much into that and could take a view that 1. You patronising git. 2. Your answer is assuming a bit much and is offensive. 3. There was a large amount of work over a period of time put in by a number of players.
but I will resist becoming involved with a potential slanging match, I am looking overall to improve my knowledge of the game. I have used other aspects of the game such as bounty hunting, going into conflict zones etc. The UA bombing is only one aspect and is available to use, you try modding ships with the correct equipment to carry enough of these to make any difference over a large number of journeys, and it just is not as easy as you appear to suggest. Given that you also need to be aware that certain factions may have a number of protective measures already in place, my concern was we had to an extent taken this into account when targetting a specific factions stations and had hoped that at least one of these would have shown a success, given that none did I considered the reasons why this could have been the case.
Once again I thank you for your informative tutoring.
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That was so good, it had to be said twice.
As one of those players who monitor the Starport Status Report, I can underline what damon8r351 said.
I'm not trying to disrespect you BillyS, but myself and others I associate with seem to have a better understanding of UA bombing and how to counter it than you and your associates do.
We know the triggers, the numbers and the timescales of activities. If you UA bomb a station and it makes it onto the status report, consider that a failure because we will mobilise an overwhelming response of MAs to that station.
We know how many UAs got delivered to Dove Enigma (160t on the 29th, 160t on the 30th), and we scheduled half a dozen Cmdrs with a hold full of MAs to counter it.
As it turns out, I know that Canonn had AT LEAST 5000t on the way, and CoR had 1400t. Other player groups had similar numbers so there was no chance in HELL of Dove Enigma getting shutdown!
Eh, this is post number........I've lost count in similar subjects, I want to point out that it was clarified that frontier did not do anything.
UA bombing is...significantly easier then most actions around, and requires less dedication, and while I may see a bit 'short', which I will admit it might be, and maybe it shouldn't have been but its tiring to see these kinds of posts again and again, the point remains the same, there's nothing wrong with UA bombing currently, and it is significantly easier to do then most BGS and other events that can most often ( but yes, of course not always ) take significantly more dedication then UA bombing.
Also note, that it was pointed out in another post correcting me, that Fdev did not step in in this event.
So yeah, I may be a bit short, but your post is almost exactly worded as so so many previous posts that I've lost count, and please note how you are replying to me, saying its patronising simply isn't true, frustrated if anything, as for being offensive? really? note I write please don't act the victim, I'm not saying you do or do not at that point, but yeah my tone is one of frustrating, but that's it, if you find that offensive I do not know what to say, but I'm just frustrated from hearing someone get annoyed that their action to disrupt some public event didn't work, it happens almost like clockwork.
So yeah, I think you are reading something between the lines that isn't there, and I am not attacking you or calling you anything
As one of those players who monitor the Starport Status Report, I can underline what damon8r351 said.
I'm not trying to disrespect you BillyS, but myself and others I associate with seem to have a better understanding of UA bombing and how to counter it than you and your associates do.
We know the triggers, the numbers and the timescales of activities. If you UA bomb a station and it makes it onto the status report, consider that a failure because we will mobilise an overwhelming response of MAs to that station.
We know how many UAs got delivered to Dove Enigma (160t on the 29th, 160t on the 30th), and we scheduled half a dozen Cmdrs with a hold full of MAs to counter it.
As it turns out, I know that Canonn had AT LEAST 5000t on the way, and CoR had 1400t. Other player groups had similar numbers so there was no chance in HELL of Dove Enigma getting shutdown!
Not to mention that word was sent out to the Hutton Orbital Truckers. As soon as I heard that and also that Canonn had a bunch of people heading out there, I turned around because at that point my piffling amount was merely a symbolic gesture.
Personally I'm too dumbfounded what exactly drives a person to do something detrimental to someone else, both RL wise or in a game. But I guess humanity isn't build to become smart anytime soon, specially the male part is still Neanderthal level.
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Interesting post history.
A few complaints around the 3300 go live time.
A pertinent question in the ALD PowerPlay a year later.
Then a whinge that you can't give an opponent an easy kicking.
I wonder who's Alt account you are?
I'm guessing one of the juniors at The White Templars or a latecomer hanger on at EliteOllo.
It's okay to have enemies, and to destroy them.
(oh okay - "opponents" and "beat" then if we're playing a game)
I always think he should be some sort of AEDC or even Alliance Office of Statistics mascot.
Interesting post history.
A few complaints around the 3300 go live time.
A pertinent question in the ALD PowerPlay a year later.
Then a whinge that you can't give an opponent an easy kicking.
I wonder who's Alt account you are?
I'm guessing one of the juniors at The White Templars or a latecomer hanger on at EliteOllo.
It's okay to have enemies, and to destroy them.
(oh okay - "opponents" and "beat" then if we're playing a game)
Bernard from Yes Minister actually.
I always think he should be some sort of AEDC or even Alliance Office of Statistics mascot.
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I really wanted to use Francis Urquat's voice though
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There appears to be a bit of a misconception here, I can clarify this was not in regards to an action directed at Dove. There was a specific faction that was targeted in the bubble, nothing to do with Colonia, nor was this in regards to any ongoing CG. The purpose of the attack was not to ruin anyones game, it was to arrange an attack on a particular faction. A heck of a lot of assumptions in a number of replies.
I do thank those who have attempted to explain the reasons why this tactic did not appear to bear fruit. I am sorry if this has previously been covered to death in other threads. I do accept I have limited knowledge of these tactics but thanks to all who have contributed in a positive way to assist my understanding. Xondig I do understand your frustration but as other less experienced players join these things may continue to come up as we progress our learning in the game. Damon8r351 and Zenith thanks also, I do feel I have learned a bit more with regards to how in particular UA bombing can be countered, given that there appears to be a way factions are warned that this is happening and can take steps accordingly. As well as the fact there appears a group who actively work against any station being bombed. Given the fact that I know at least 3 of this factions stations were targeted, it just had me considering how they managed to counter all 3. I stand now in a more enlightened place.
I do thank those who have attempted to explain the reasons why this tactic did not appear to bear fruit. I am sorry if this has previously been covered to death in other threads. I do accept I have limited knowledge of these tactics but thanks to all who have contributed in a positive way to assist my understanding. Xondig I do understand your frustration but as other less experienced players join these things may continue to come up as we progress our learning in the game. Damon8r351 and Zenith thanks also, I do feel I have learned a bit more with regards to how in particular UA bombing can be countered, given that there appears to be a way factions are warned that this is happening and can take steps accordingly. As well as the fact there appears a group who actively work against any station being bombed. Given the fact that I know at least 3 of this factions stations were targeted, it just had me considering how they managed to counter all 3. I stand now in a more enlightened place.
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