PvP Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

[Riverside]

In the Wild West, bandits were hanged for their crimes.

This is one of the differences between a game & RL. IRL the crime spree is tempered by risk of capture or death, in a game it's only tempered by short-term inconvienience.

If your individual wild west bandit is hanged or imprisoned, that baddie cannot come back. Their friends can, and they can be hanged or detained too, so there is eventually a deterrent to other criminals.

In a game the deterrent can only be inconvenience, which is the direction 3.0 C&P takes. It costs a lot of money even if you don't die, and if you do you are moved away from the action providing a short lull in the baddie's crime spree, but ultimately the baddie player can never be stopped, only discouraged.

Fortunately there aren't many like that and they can only be in one place at once

 

[Theodrid]

I see ED as wild west lawless anarchy where the strong survive and the weak...cry on the forums.

....well.......

Can't wait to put it in action, I am willing to pay real money for all the engineering grind I am going through ATM... god..

Here is your answer, PvP has no meaning because of the modes. Well, looks like all its good for is ganks.

Carebears

I dont find it fun to move pve tokens around in SOLO...

Correct, the easy modes availble to everyone making OPEN useless for those activities making them another PVE grind (like we dont have enough already).

................yeah, see what you mean!

 

[frostypaw]

I'd love it if they really made it like a proper hardcore situation for the criminals and they lost everything when they got caught. All engineer process reset, defensive engineers no longer available, ships confiscated, rank lost, permanently blocked from the attacked faction etc

But they prefer pansy-version of cops'n'robbers where they get to rebuy and carry on without any threat bless their little baby selves. No nuts to really face what they say they want

 

[Electric Kite]

I’ve been trying to understand why the vast majority of people are not interested in PvP in Elite Dangerous.
I’d like your thoughts on it, here are my thoughts.

For me, I like the adventure of discovering ‘what is out there’ now I know content is slim at the moment but the fact remains. I will NEVER get in a spaceship and explore the universe/galaxy in my lifetime as much as would love to. ED gives me the opportunity to do that, find weird systems and sometime amazing glitches that add to the experience.
I’ve never seen Elite as an opportunity to sit in my backyard and shoot other players, the galaxy is too big to waste time with that in my opinion.
There are thousands of games out there where the purpose is to shoot each other and do it very well. ED gives me a Galaxy to explore, why on earth would I want to do peew pew when there is a Galaxy to discover? (I’ll repeat at this point that I am aware content is thin on the ground for exploring) But at least I can find cool places to re-visit when content is added.

TLDR?
Summary – Most players purchased ED to wonder at our galaxy in their own time in their own way. For them PvP is just a waste of time and effort.

Thoughts?

Nutter
O7

Vast majority

Are you using these forums as a source?

Haha.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No, 3.0 C&P partially address seal clubbing not ganking because ganking is not an issue but a legitimate PvP activity.

That's not true. It's simply to address consequence free criminal behaviour of any kind, which includes seal clubbing, ganking even piracy in a much lesser degree. You should still be able to do all those things, but there should be consequences attached to them which makes doing them continuously more of a problem.

 

[Theodrid]

Vast majority

Are you using these forums as a source?

Haha.

No, Nutter is using Frontier's own words, (possibly minus the 'vast' part, haven't the time to dig up the quote atm).

 

[Electric Kite]

No, Nutter is using Frontier's own words, (possibly minus the 'vast' part, haven't the time to dig up the quote atm).

Ah right. So hes using hes own words then and making a false assumption based on nothing.

Cheers.

 

[Theodrid]

Ah right. So hes using hes own words then and making a false assumption based on nothing.

Cheers.

How can citing Frontier's own words be 'based on nothing'?

 

[Electric Kite]

How can citing Frontier's own words be 'based on nothing'?

Source?

 

[Theodrid]

Source?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4808539&viewfull=1#post4808539

See 'On PVP vs PVE' subsection.

 

[Electric Kite]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4808539&viewfull=1#post4808539

See 'On PVP vs PVE' subsection.

Ok, that says majority. Not vast majority. As the word implies..there is a vast difference between the two.

For example, two groups, one has 50 and the other has 51. The group with 51 is the majority.
TLDR: It may not be the huge deal conveyed by the incorrect statement.

And any argument put forward based on false facts is a waste of time and wrong from the incpetion as it changes the very nature of the debate.

Just saying.

 

[Kefhyr]

I'd love it if they really made it like a proper hardcore situation for the criminals and they lost everything when they got caught. All engineer process reset, defensive engineers no longer available, ships confiscated, rank lost, permanently blocked from the attacked faction etc

But they prefer pansy-version of cops'n'robbers where they get to rebuy and carry on without any threat bless their little baby selves. No nuts to really face what they say they want

Most funny part here, even if DEVs realise all those things in-game, combat pilots will stay here like nothing happened. And still carebears will cry loud on forums, because it is not enough to stop people from killing them :'D

 

[Theodrid]

Ok, that says majority. Not vast majority. As the word implies..there is a vast difference between the two.

Just saying.

I said as much in my original reply to you,

 

[Electric Kite]

I said as much in my original reply to you,

And i said as much to you...

 

[Theodrid]

And i said as much to you...

Frontier said 'majority', that could still be a vast majority, (80/20 split), or it could be a fairly small, (60/40 split for example), majority. Doesn't matter, fact remains players who PVP are in the minority in Elite Dangerous. If you want to argue semantics over the word 'vast' you go right ahead. You and I will probably never know if it is what we would consider 'vast', what Frontier consider 'vast' or what your pet hamster considers 'vast', that isn't the point of this thread.

And when I'd clearly said (possibly minus the word vast), you don't need to repeat it as if that was your original point, it clearly wasn't.

 

[Electric Kite]

Frontier said 'majority', that could still be a vast majority, (80/20 split), or it could be a fairly small, (60/40 split for example), majority. Doesn't matter, fact remains players who PVP are in the minority in Elite Dangerous. If you want to argue semantics over the word 'vast' you go right ahead.

I like words. Words are important. I choose my words carefully..and i try not to ever missquote people.
If more people respected the words they used...this Forum would be a much more pleasant place.

Fact is there IS a difference between a vast majority and a majority and the severity of the "problem" is reflected on which it is.

Its just English man.

Sorry.

 

[Theodrid]

I like words. Words are important. I choose my words carefully..and i try not to ever missquote people.
If more people respected the words they used...this Forum would be a much more pleasant place.

Fact is there IS a difference between a vast majority and a majority and the severity of the "problem" is reflected on which it is.

Its just English man.

Sorry.

Yes it is but we still don't know and probably never will, the word majority doesn't preclude the split from being a vast one or a minor one, it could be either.

 

[Electric Kite]

Yes it is but we still don't know and probably never will, the word majority doesn't preclude the split from being a vast one or a minor one, it could be either.

So rather than say majority lets just assume its the VAST majority to enforce the opinion?
Or you know..we could just use the actual information we were given rather than speculate for no apparent reason other than to make a bigger issue than it potentially is....i.e what this Forums problem is.

I get it now.

Cheers.

 

[frostypaw]

Most funny part here, even if DEVs realise all those things in-game, combat pilots will stay here like nothing happened. And still carebears will cry loud on forums, because it is not enough to stop people from killing them :'D

Lol sure buddy. we've all seen the salt mountains you lot pour out, not fooling anyone - look at the tears going on here. FDev have repeatedly said PvP is a minority activity but....

 

[Theodrid]

So rather than say majority lets just assume its the VAST majority to enforce the opinion?
Or you know..we could just use the actual information we were given rather than speculate for no apparent reason other than to make a bigger issue than it potentially is....

I get it now.

Cheers.

Or we could, you know, focus on 'Why PVP is not popular in Elite Dangerous' rather than semantics, if you knew that quote and what it read why did you need it sourced? - No, your original point in my opinion was along the lines of 'how do you know, (not me, poster you quoted), PVP is in a minority) and not this hula hooping over the word vast.