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An option for feathers ?...
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I feel like we're having multiple arguments here when there should be only one. The original topic concerned whether or not there was/should be an option for dinosaurs to have feathers.
The clearest answer possible is that the dinosaurs of the Jurassic Park franchise don't exhibit feathers and its unlikely that Evolution will have any simply because of that. Although I believe its possible feathered dinos can make there way into the game through post launch skins, and I believe that they should have skins with feathers for some of the dinosaurs.
The clearest answer possible is that the dinosaurs of the Jurassic Park franchise don't exhibit feathers and its unlikely that Evolution will have any simply because of that. Although I believe its possible feathered dinos can make there way into the game through post launch skins, and I believe that they should have skins with feathers for some of the dinosaurs.
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You know that it's me who created the topic, and I don't see why it's impossible to think that we can already have feathers in the original game, with mutation, the game don't really follow the lore anyway, so devs says they created the best dinosaurs never created, as the science path tries to make more authentical dinosaurs, everything is here for add this option, the only things we need to have now is the confirmation of the devs
There was a concious decision to not give them feathers for the modern JP film, as they felt it was more important to maintain the style of the original movie than to be more accurate.
Giving them feathers may be more in keeping with our current understanding of dinosaurs, but they felt it would be such a difference that it would no longer look and feel like JP.
Giving them feathers may be more in keeping with our current understanding of dinosaurs, but they felt it would be such a difference that it would no longer look and feel like JP.
I also don't understand why if you are so passionate about dinosaur accuracy, you don't seem to mind that almost none of the Dinosaurs in Jp or Jw are even close to accurate. Raptors were 3 feet tall, Dilophosaurs was around 10 feet, many others are completely inaccurate throughout the series as well. These are not Dinosaurs as Dr Wu says "None of the dinosaurs in Jurassic World — or its ill-fated incarnation as Jurassic Park — are made of 100 percent pure dino DNA, he points out, none of them are what they were 65 million or more years ago. What they are, he's implying, is what he was asked to produce: Dinosaurs that look like what the public expects dinosaurs to look like. Scary. Scaly. Wild.
At this moment I'm not convinced that he cares about accuracy at all. There are those people that will never retreat from JP designs and reject feathers. And there are those who want feathers on basically everything, I tend to think he is the latter. I could be wrong though.
I think it is very unlikely to see feathers in the game, as I already stated they are a pain to animate. I don't know much about animation, but I think some of you underestimate the amount of work it takes to put feathers in the game if they should look on par with the rest of the models and the animation of motion.
I don't get what the big deal is myself. Very little of the JP Dinosaurs are accurate. There is a lot of inaccuracies cause the movie isn't a scientific documentary. So not having feathers is just one more inaccuracy for some Dinosaurs in the movies and this game. If the other inaccuracies don't bother you then I don't see why this one should. Otherwise all the inaccuracies should be fixed.
While I doubt that feathers will make it into a Jurassic Park game, I hope that it’s possible to make a more ‘updated’ version of the dinosaurs, especially considering that the Science division for JWE is aiming to create a more genetically pure version of said dinosaurs. This would also make the game more consistent, especially when Edmontosaurus and Suchomimus appear to be a practically 100% accurate portrayal.
It could be simple things such as stripes, brighter colours, (inspired by Julius Csotoyni's artwork for the Jurassic World website), and subtle anatomical differences; e.g. JP/// Velociraptor has a slightly longer and thinner snout, and quills on its head; Planet Dinosaur's Spinosaurus can also be a good inspiration for a more accurate version of Jurassic Park's Spinosaurus, especially considering that there was a skeleton of similar structure on Jurassic World's Main Street).
It could be simple things such as stripes, brighter colours, (inspired by Julius Csotoyni's artwork for the Jurassic World website), and subtle anatomical differences; e.g. JP/// Velociraptor has a slightly longer and thinner snout, and quills on its head; Planet Dinosaur's Spinosaurus can also be a good inspiration for a more accurate version of Jurassic Park's Spinosaurus, especially considering that there was a skeleton of similar structure on Jurassic World's Main Street).
It's exactly where is the problem : Jurassic World create what fans want and not what they should have done, with it monsters, Jurassic World stained the picture of the dinosaurs and of the Paleontology, and that begin to be annoying to me to hear that people think that dinosaurs are exactly like in the movie, like the 3 meter featherless raptor or that the Indominus rex is a true specie of dinosaur
If this game can't just make the error that the movie do and allow just an option, I don't demand that all dinosaurs will be completly cover of feathers since the beginning, it's a Jurassic Park game first, but if it can permet to change some mind about dinosaurs, even in end game, you unlock feathers at the end of the Science path for example, that will be really cool, especially for people like me who are tired of this
After I don't demand a perfect design for feather, even a thing like this can be great for a beginning, and that will not demand a lot of work on animation and effect like a full feathered raptor for example
Please allow me to step back in for a moment. I'm pro-feather option.
To me, I think one of the main reasons JP chooses the non-feather version is that it is "scarier" as Dr. Wu said himself. There is a basis to it - as I think after separated by 65 million years of evolution, we might be genetically pre-programmed to have more fear in reptiles than in birds. Hence, it is completely understandable to opt for a non-feathered version as our first instinct. But please, do ask yourself - are you certainly sure that a feathered version can't be as scary? Before answering that question, please bear in mind to not limit your imagination based on what you seen. Go beyond that, work on it as hard as you can - to do it justice. At the end, one might reaches the same conclusion as the beginning but I see nothing wrong in doing that.
If you pay close attention to what Universal has done. You will notice that they never deny a feathered version dinosaur. Instead, I feel that they are uncertain on this position themselves. Not to mention that the lead advisor Dr. Jack Horner himself is the main proponent of bird-like behaviors in dinosaurs. All these said, what I'm speculating is that given if someone is able to come up with an extremely scary, but loveable version of a feathered Dinosaur, I won't be surprised at all the lore will go into that direction full swing. (After all, I have to admit that it is extremely challenging to do that and the chance might be remote)
Since Universal is not certain on this position themselves, I actually think they would be more than happy to do a trial here, in video games (no offense, I do happen to think that the video game market is not as wide as the movie market, correct me if I'm wrong). But of course, a serious trial with careful design.
Finally, please don't get me wrong, before seeing such an extreme version of feathered dinosaur, I will be among the first to stand up against replacing the non-feathered. But please.... I would like to repeat AGAIN, the host is NOT asking to replace, he is simply asking for an additional OPTION. We should never deny a person's dream. Please let the reality does the dirty work itself.
To me, I think one of the main reasons JP chooses the non-feather version is that it is "scarier" as Dr. Wu said himself. There is a basis to it - as I think after separated by 65 million years of evolution, we might be genetically pre-programmed to have more fear in reptiles than in birds. Hence, it is completely understandable to opt for a non-feathered version as our first instinct. But please, do ask yourself - are you certainly sure that a feathered version can't be as scary? Before answering that question, please bear in mind to not limit your imagination based on what you seen. Go beyond that, work on it as hard as you can - to do it justice. At the end, one might reaches the same conclusion as the beginning but I see nothing wrong in doing that.
If you pay close attention to what Universal has done. You will notice that they never deny a feathered version dinosaur. Instead, I feel that they are uncertain on this position themselves. Not to mention that the lead advisor Dr. Jack Horner himself is the main proponent of bird-like behaviors in dinosaurs. All these said, what I'm speculating is that given if someone is able to come up with an extremely scary, but loveable version of a feathered Dinosaur, I won't be surprised at all the lore will go into that direction full swing. (After all, I have to admit that it is extremely challenging to do that and the chance might be remote)
Since Universal is not certain on this position themselves, I actually think they would be more than happy to do a trial here, in video games (no offense, I do happen to think that the video game market is not as wide as the movie market, correct me if I'm wrong). But of course, a serious trial with careful design.
Finally, please don't get me wrong, before seeing such an extreme version of feathered dinosaur, I will be among the first to stand up against replacing the non-feathered. But please.... I would like to repeat AGAIN, the host is NOT asking to replace, he is simply asking for an additional OPTION. We should never deny a person's dream. Please let the reality does the dirty work itself.
To be honest Designs like this only make matters worse. Either you go full on feathers or you leave it completely. Unrealistic attempts loke these only make it worse to give the general public a idea what dinosaurs really looked like.
I hope they go with the movie designs for this game, because Jurassic Park dinosaurs with feathers actually look worse than scaly versions.
I don't see why feathers on dinosaurs will be worst than the frog-lizard ones that we see in the movies x) yes that not the best, but I know that with a genetic option that will be impossible to do an accurate version of a feathered dinosaur (even if that will be really cool, maybe a DLC can make that ?), and I don't see why an option for feathers is a problem again, if you are against feathers, just don't create feathered dinosaurs, but why people who want to have them can't have them just because some people like you don't want it in the game, that just an option for people, not a obligation
I care about accuracy, if you don't create realistic dinosaurs (which isn't the case with JP Dinosaurs even if you give them feathers) then stick with the artistic license and make proper Jurassic Park Dinosaurus.
I study paleontology and this thinking frustrates me. If someone just puts some feathers here and there and says it's accurate now just makes it worse in my eyes. Because I think one reason People think feathered Dinosaurs look stupid is because of non accurate feathered Dinosaurs.
It's not that I don't want feathers in the game, I want either perfect feathers or none.
I more understand you point of view now, and I'm totally ok with you !
But the problem is that we will never have in a game like this something totally accurate, so between don't have any possibility and just have the classic JP dino, and have something a little more better for people who want this, I prefer the second option
and I'm sure that between your view of an accurate feathered dinosaur and my view of the things, there is difference, so why not
But the problem is that we will never have in a game like this something totally accurate, so between don't have any possibility and just have the classic JP dino, and have something a little more better for people who want this, I prefer the second option
and I'm sure that between your view of an accurate feathered dinosaur and my view of the things, there is difference, so why not
Jurassic Park was never meant to be totally accurate. Its dinosaurs are mutated clones. It's science fiction. This isn't simply a dinosaur park builder game, it's a Jurassic Park builder game. Frontier's vision was to allow players to create their own Jurassic Park/World.
Why not include feathers? Because Frontier wants this to be as close to the Jurassic Park property as possible. That means no feathers. Again, like I said, the game they launch with will be their vision. Feedback post launch is what will grant us feathered dinosaurs, and I'm all for that. I'm only reinforcing what I've already said because you don't seem to understand or accept why Frontier wouldn't have feathered dinos.
Why not include feathers? Because Frontier wants this to be as close to the Jurassic Park property as possible. That means no feathers. Again, like I said, the game they launch with will be their vision. Feedback post launch is what will grant us feathered dinosaurs, and I'm all for that. I'm only reinforcing what I've already said because you don't seem to understand or accept why Frontier wouldn't have feathered dinos.
We are not getting feathers. Not sure if you already knew?
https://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/646723/Talking+with+Dinosaurs+Jurassic+World+Evolution/
https://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/646723/Talking+with+Dinosaurs+Jurassic+World+Evolution/
He knows. I am sure he Just wants to make sure everyone knows he wants it.
They don't talk about feathers on the article ... and I don't remember that devs talk about this before
it has 2 pages. This is a quote from the 2nd page:
So what kind of dinosaurs can players expect to house in their own Jurassic theme park? Simper told us "the initial dinosaurs we decided on come from the Jurassic lore, and we've adhered to the sort of rules set out for those dinosaurs by Universal. [...] And then there are extra dinosaurs where we would just look at actual real fossils and real mockups to find a bit of variety. We didn't go with any of the tiny ones." Feathered dinosaurs will not be in there, as they would conflict with the Jurassic lore, which follows more traditional scientific theory.
ho ok ... I will cancel my pre-order so ...