If someone from Fdev streams themselves unlocking all the Guardian tech. I will eat my eye patch.

[Enderby]

Reducing the grind? Well ok, BUT I hope they don't lose sight of the actual issue: The activity is not *fun* once you have done it once or twice.

Make activities *fun* and engaging and people *will not care* how long they take. That means beyond "cheap" repetition of carry A 2 B / kill X goblins / scan X widgets 4 reward. Why can't we have some cool stories and missions around things like generation ships, to raise a random example?

You don't need to offer players a "reward" if an activity is fun, they'll do it just for the cool experience.

Absolutely.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

So, if we want something to be changed, we have to make a thread of 100+ pages. Good to know.

Just wait yet 'till you see the actual change

 

[Enderby]

‘Fun’ FD, think ‘fun’. I realise it’s perhaps something you’ve hitherto not bothered with but it could really improve your computer program.

 

[Drelthar]

Hello folks,

Wanted to wade in here and say thank you for all of the feedback.

We sent it to the team and have been informed that they are working on rebalancing things to alleviate the amount of time required to unlock Guardian tech. We will let you know soon as we have more information to share about that!

Thanks again everyone!

Nice to get a response, but it's not about time. It's about variety in gameplay.

I would be fine with it taking weeks, if it wasn't the same thing over and over.

 

[Friedenreich Xante]

I guess you can say I am putting my money where my mouth is

Just to point out before I begin that my eyepatch is not just some scrap of leather. There is lots of tech crammed in there that lets me interface with my ship directly through my eye socket to my brain. So it will be crunchier than y'all might think.

I guess you'll have to get back at Shopping, you picked the wrong eye-patch

Should be more like this

 

[babelfisch]

So, if we want something to be changed, we have to make a thread of 100+ pages. Good to know.

Most of these pages is just Stigbob telling everyone how easy it is. This thread has ~230 participators, I'd say that's not a big number to get something changed considering how big the community is.

 

[Knightshark]

Hello folks,

Wanted to wade in here and say thank you for all of the feedback.

We sent it to the team and have been informed that they are working on rebalancing things to alleviate the amount of time required to unlock Guardian tech. We will let you know soon as we have more information to share about that!

Thanks again everyone!

When you rebalance things, please don't ask yourself "How much effort can we expect from the players?", but "What would be an enjoyable experience?". Please approach the game from that angle!

 

[Brimstone]

Hello folks,

Wanted to wade in here and say thank you for all of the feedback.

We sent it to the team and have been informed that they are working on rebalancing things to alleviate the amount of time required to unlock Guardian tech. We will let you know soon as we have more information to share about that!

Thanks again everyone!

Sweet baby Jesus, it worked!

 

[Jex =TE=]

Might handy.

That said, I'm not happy with the idea of reducing the amount of work. Its a bandaid fix, it wont even get close to the core issues with ED. I wont mind if it happens by Q4 or early next year but I would prefer some more imaginative gameplay to exist.

It'll be 6 months before they implement the gaurdian fix so they better pause the Thargoid "war" or everyone's going to miss it.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Right. So how do I find these nice spots without tourist missions. That is there primary purpose. It what they are there for.

I am not trying to sell anything. I enjoy them for what I get out of them. From what I can tell you have never done one, so you are no in a position to comment.

As to smuggling passengers, you smuggle illegal passengers to certain places, you need to avoid the fuzz and don't get scanned. This has an effect on the BGS.

If you cast your mind back to before passenger missions, you'll remember that FDev had to ask the community for help on nice spots because they didn't have a clue. Use one of the many websites outside of ED if you need help I'm sure something exists or just go and explore to find them?

So smuggling in ED isn't actually smuggling since there's no chance of getting scanned - you just boost for the slot (and for some unknown reason, the slot doesn't scan you where you literally have nowhere to run. As for affecting the BGS - nobody cares. It hardly does anything and is barely noticeable, if at all.

The BGS is basically a text generating Engine to flip systems and generate grind in PP.

 

[Jex =TE=]

That was the official responce after 100 pages?? He didnt mention anything about the stream. Lol. My 10 year old nephew probably can come up with a better responce.
This is the pure proof that this guardian grind is beyond playing. They are going straight to rebalancing.
Thanks devs for responding so quickly buahaha.

Maybe they played it through once and then realised it needed changing right away?

 

[NY09]

When you rebalance things, please don't ask yourself "How much effort can we expect from the players?", but "What would be an enjoyable experience?". Please approach the game from that angle!

Meanwhile,somewhere in Cambridge, FD's Head of Gameplay is hard at work exploring creative new content with the playtesting team. Fetch!

 

[B1rdy]

Nice to get a response, but it's not about time. It's about variety in gameplay.

I would be fine with it taking weeks, if it wasn't the same thing over and over.

When you rebalance things, please don't ask yourself "How much effort can we expect from the players?", but "What would be an enjoyable experience?". Please approach the game from that angle!

Looking back on the history of ED, guess what is going to happen. My take is, a few numbers will be increased and/ or decreased to reduce the "effort". That is it.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

If you cast your mind back to before passenger missions, you'll remember that FDev had to ask the community for help on nice spots because they didn't have a clue. Use one of the many websites outside of ED if you need help I'm sure something exists or just go and explore to find them?

Why would I want to use a website when there is a perfectly good tool ingame called tourist passanger missions. God you can talk utter trash at times. Of course FDev had to ask people as they are only a small handful of people compared to the 100,000s of people playing the game. Sorry Jex but that is totally pathetic or do you think the FDev devs have been to all 400 billion systems in the galaxy or been to every single system in the bubble.

What lunacy.

So smuggling in ED isn't actually smuggling since there's no chance of getting scanned - you just boost for the slot (and for some unknown reason, the slot doesn't scan you where you literally have nowhere to run.

Seem you don't play much do you. Yes you can get scanned if you are not careful. Boosting through the slot can be very dangerous too.

As for affecting the BGS - nobody cares. It hardly does anything and is barely noticeable, if at all. The BGS is basically a text generating Engine to flip systems and generate grind in PP.

And this is the sinlge most idiotic thing I have read on the forums. The BGS does not generate any grind at all and does virtually nothing to Powerplay (has a minor effect). All you have done is shown how utterly ignorant you are about the game. It isn't used just to flip systems either, you can use it to minipulate the state it's in to give you different types of mission and to change the prices of commodities.

And to say that nobody cares is really stupid. There are 100's or 1000's of player factions out there who's member certainly do care.

Maybe you should learn how the game works as you seem to be utterly clueless.

 

[Jex =TE=]

This 1000 times. I hope FDev sees this and takes it to heart both in relation to this issue, and in relation to the game in general.

Wouldn't it be weird if non of the devs actually read their own forums? If you had a games company, wouldn't you want to read what your customers are saying? I bet you there are devs who have accounts here and nobody knows.

 

[Knightshark]

Looking back on the history of ED, guess what is going to happen. My take is, a few numbers will be increased and/ or decreased to reduce the "effort". That is it.

I hope not, but I am afraid you are right.

 

[NY09]

Wouldn't it be weird if non of the devs actually read their own forums? If you had a games company, wouldn't you want to read what your customers are saying? I bet you there are devs who have accounts here and nobody knows.

You underestimate the awesome power of apathy.

 

[Stigbob]

Most of these pages is just Stigbob telling everyone how easy it is. This thread has ~230 participators, I'd say that's not a big number to get something changed considering how big the community is.

To be fair, I did say that from the standpoint of someone who doesn't find sentinel fighting travelling out there or doing the unlocks themselves to be onerous.

Which seems to be the main spoken complaint.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Why would I want to use a website when there is a perfectly good tool ingame called tourist passanger missions. God you can talk utter trash at times. Of course FDev had to ask people as they are only a small handful of people compared to the 100,000s of people playing the game. Sorry Jex but that is totally pathetic or do you think the FDev devs have been to all 400 billion systems in the galaxy or been to every single system in the bubble.

What lunacy.


Seem you don't play much do you. Yes you can get scanned if you are not careful. Boosting through the slot can be very dangerous too.


And this is the sinlge most idiotic thing I have read on the forums. The BGS does not generate any grind at all and does virtually nothing to Powerplay (has a minor effect). All you have done is shown how utterly ignorant you are about the game. It isn't used just to flip systems either, you can use it to minipulate the state it's in to give you different types of mission and to change the prices of commodities.

Maybe you should learn how the game works as you seem to be utterly clueless.

Wow and there you go, all snidey again and wronmg again in every instance but we'll break it down.

Why would I want to use a website when there is a perfectly good tool ingame called tourist passanger missions. God you can talk utter trash at times. Of course FDev had to ask people as they are only a small handful of people compared to the 100,000s of people playing the game. Sorry Jex but that is totally pathetic or do you think the FDev devs have been to all 400 billion systems in the galaxy or been to every single system in the bubble.

Utter trash to suggest not using boring passengers missions which are not designed to take YOU to pretty places? We're talking about how crap passenger missions are where I pointed out that it's nothing but J. You brought up sight seeing which is not the goal of passenger missions.

So passenger missions only exist to give you nice places to go do they? Talk about clueless.

Seem you don't play much do you. Yes you can get scanned if you are not careful. Boosting through the slot can be very dangerous too.

You don't fly much to know that each and every time you get scanned is when you're just about to enter the letterbox. You can boost at that point and you're safe. Like I said, it's not smuggling when you have 0.00000!% chance of getting caught.

And this is the sinlge most idiotic thing I have read on the forums. The BGS does not generate any grind at all and does virtually nothing to Powerplay (has a minor effect). All you have done is shown how utterly ignorant you are about the game. It isn't used just to flip systems either, you can use it to minipulate the state it's in to give you different types of mission and to change the prices of commodities.

Maybe you should learn how the game works as you seem to be utterly clueless.

PP missions are generated to push the borders of other powers are they not? They don't flip systems?

I'm clueless because I left off the most boring part of the BGS which is making it make different missions? All of which are boring go A - B and change the price of commodities! Wow - and what point is there of changing prices - so you can get more useless money - what are you going to do with it, Max - buy another ship?

So the BGS can change text, change the price of things slightly, give different missions.

All of that can be done 100 times quicker just by visiting another system already in the state you want it to be in.

 

[Genus]

To be fair, I did say that from the standpoint of someone who doesn't find sentinel fighting travelling out there or doing the unlocks themselves to be onerous.

Which seems to be the main spoken complaint.

And that Ladies and Gentlemen, is the sound of someone trying to eat the cake.