The Size Issue, and others

[micryda]

yeah thats ur opinion but i think they should fix problems with the game bugs etc. they should not pump out new content before they fix stuff that makes it only worse. and its completely ok to debate stuff like the sizes cause frontier or universal messing totaly up with their suddenly inacurate dino sizes its simply confusing if u watch the movies and than play the game like with the indominus rex he was clearly the same size or even bigger than rexy and now rexy is 5 meter height? same with spino first his height is 4,9 meter now it is 3.9? off course people will not like such things me included or look at the giga i dont think a giga was that small.i dont care about rexy beeing the star but this inconsistence is stupid what happens next time? rexy is suddenly as big as a brachiosaurus and the reasoning is because he is the star of the franchise and yes ure right with the facts thing but jp has allways had its own lore so u cant take real life facts cause they dont count in jp lore u need to take facts from the lore and in this ok we never seen a giga but the spino was not that small in the movie and rexy never was g 5 meters huge same for the trike its way to big u can see one in jp2 and it was not that huge like in jwe now

 

[Dinoken]

I dislike when people use the JW movie size of Rexy, since we could technically apply that to the Spinosaurus. (if they ever make the JP3 one ever appear again)
Because, it's not impossible to think that like Rexy, the JP3 Spinosaurus has grown bigger and large than what his/her's size was in JP3.

That is Exactly the point I have been trying to make. Like Rexy in the first Jurassic Park - the Spinosaurus in JP3 may have been an adult - but it almost certainly wasn't fully grown. We now know that Rexy was about 5 years old during Jurassic Park - yet she was already the size of 18-20 year old T.rex(due to accelerated growth rate). Like wise - the Spinosaurus was only about 5 years old during the events of JP3 - so it had lived another 20-25 years it too would be about another 10-12 %(~14.6-14.9 meters/48-49 feet) in length.

 

[Shadowear1991]

Its not my opinions(since when does opinions count in a debate about size? either its proven or not unbelievable. And yes not all but most of the threadposters here are wrong as i said i can prove it with published papers. I say it one more time theres no Giga thats bigger then trex Sue. So its false to say giga should be bigger. Its that easy. Not to mention(again) we are talking about movie based creatures not even the real ones.....which is even more laughable but okay if you dont want to know the real sizes of these craetures then go ahead and belive what you want while i present you the 100% facts if needed as you can search for them too since you have internet. Just be sure its not outdated and officially published. If not have fun with giga being bigger which is nonsense lol. Trex is the larger animal thats a fact in height,weight and thats out of question. But if you cant belive published facts from paloes then i can assume im discussing with children in their dremlands which is totally fine just stop spreading false informations please. ´´opinions´´ thanks for that laugh dude theres no opionion in such discussions only facts. Since we are talking about known facts not huch we foun a specimen 70% and its likely 11 m because of.........and so on. Hope you get it cheers

I want some published papers from this year... since what I sent you was outdated but is less than a year old... so go on put your money where your keyboard is... and prove it. Prove to me all those papers I’ve seen describing most of the bones discovered for Giganotosaurus are between 10 and 15% larger than Sues.

 

[Dinoken]

I want some published papers from this year... since what I sent you was outdated but is less than a year old... so go on put your money where your keyboard is... and prove it. Prove to me all those papers I’ve seen describing most of the bones discovered for Giganotosaurus are between 10 and 15% larger than Sues.

Well - I actually have seen both SUE the T.rex and the Giganotosaurus holotype. I can say - they are almost certainly the same overall length, and height. Yes - certain bones of Giganotosaurus are about 10-15% larger than Sue's. For instance - Giganotosaurus' femur may be 10-15% longer than Sue's - yet the bones of Sue's lower leg is about 10-15 % longer than the Giganotosaurus - resulting in them being the same overall height. And Giganotosaurus's Skull ma be about 10% longer Sue's - yet they are still roughly the same length.

Why? Because - TYrannosaurine Tyrannosaurs and Giganotosaurine Carcharodontosaurs were built quite differently .

 

[Shadowear1991]

Well - I actually have seen both SUE the T.rex and the Giganotosaurus holotype. I can say - they are almost certainly the same overall length, and height. Yes - certain bones of Giganotosaurus are about 10-15% larger than Sue's. For instance - Giganotosaurus' femur may be 10-15% longer than Sue's - yet the bones of Sue's lower leg is about 10-15 % longer than the Giganotosaurus - resulting in them being the same overall height. And Giganotosaurus's Skull ma be about 10% longer Sue's - yet they are still roughly the same length.

Why? Because - TYrannosaurine Tyrannosaurs and Giganotosaurine Carcharodontosaurs were built quite differently .

I’m ok with them being the same size, but he’s saying Tyrannosaurus is bigger and that he can prove it

 

[Grimnir]

Its not my opinions(since when does opinions count in a debate about size? either its proven or not unbelievable. And yes not all but most of the threadposters here are wrong as i said i can prove it with published papers.

Incoherence is a special trait of you isnt it. People have been publishing stuff for dinosaurs many years and every time they change. It's not facts but estimations only. Like the Spinosaurus being estimately 15m long Which doesnt seem too unlikely based upon previously assumed numbers on size.

Same goes for Giganotosaurus and T-rex. They both have a holotype about the same size. And bones from larger individuals have been found. You stating that your opinion is word and law and everyone else is "stupid and wrong" is a rather petty attitude however.

And learn to write please. The wall of text is annoying to read.

 

[paleostudent]

That is Exactly the point I have been trying to make. Like Rexy in the first Jurassic Park - the Spinosaurus in JP3 may have been an adult - but it almost certainly wasn't fully grown. We now know that Rexy was about 5 years old during Jurassic Park - yet she was already the size of 18-20 year old T.rex(due to accelerated growth rate). Like wise - the Spinosaurus was only about 5 years old during the events of JP3 - so it had lived another 20-25 years it too would be about another 10-12 %(~14.6-14.9 meters/48-49 feet) in length.

its a film what fully grown ? i dont get that ......LOOL unbelievable

 

[paleostudent]

I’m ok with them being the same size, but he’s saying Tyrannosaurus is bigger and that he can prove it

It is bigger heavier and longer i dont lknow cant you use the internet? Theres no giga bigger then Sue 12,4m.

 

[paleostudent]

Incoherence is a special trait of you isnt it. People have been publishing stuff for dinosaurs many years and every time they change. It's not facts but estimations only. Like the Spinosaurus being estimately 15m long Which doesnt seem too unlikely based upon previously assumed numbers on size.

Same goes for Giganotosaurus and T-rex. They both have a holotype about the same size. And bones from larger individuals have been found. You stating that your opinion is word and law and everyone else is "stupid and wrong" is a rather petty attitude however.

And learn to write please. The wall of text is annoying to read.

its my third language sorry i know its far from perfect.

 

[paleostudent]

Incoherence is a special trait of you isnt it. People have been publishing stuff for dinosaurs many years and every time they change. It's not facts but estimations only. Like the Spinosaurus being estimately 15m long Which doesnt seem too unlikely based upon previously assumed numbers on size.

Same goes for Giganotosaurus and T-rex. They both have a holotype about the same size. And bones from larger individuals have been found. You stating that your opinion is word and law and everyone else is "stupid and wrong" is a rather petty attitude however.

And learn to write please. The wall of text is annoying to read.

Who cares for spinosaurus we know nothing about it. Ehm because Sue is almost complete. Gig awell not even close to. Where did i say stupid? no weher. lol

 

[paleostudent]

I want some published papers from this year... since what I sent you was outdated but is less than a year old... so go on put your money where your keyboard is... and prove it. Prove to me all those papers I’ve seen describing most of the bones discovered for Giganotosaurus are between 10 and 15% larger than Sues.

Where are these papers did i miss them ? huch and just because a piece of bone is alrger it doesnt mean the whole creature is . the fact is i said it now the 5 th time that we have no giga bigger then sue. LOL is it that hard.

 

[TheMightyMegalosaurus]

Are people really trying to defend Tyrannosaurus being the largest theropod in the game with "well in real life size variations between individuals blah blah"? How about they just follow WHAT IS IN THE BLOODY FILMS? For God's sake, it really is that simple, Rex doesn't become awful and boring just because it's not the absolute biggest meat-eater on land.

 

[TheMightyMegalosaurus]

Lol no one bothered my post they just still continue with wrong infos ........

Giga is not longer then a rex we never found one. Cerato is not to big its simply the biger species that exists. Spino is very accurate jp3 like. Rex is oversized in JP so in the game too wh8ich is absolutely fine.

you guys should relly stop talking about stuff you dont know aynthing about. I will disprove any beliefs you ´´heard´´. The only thing that matters are published papers.

so again Biggest trex 12.4m heres no Giga that is longer then this........its a myth that its bigger because of a jaw fragment but its not true untill we find an actual bigger fossil.

Its based of a movie/book. No one cares really its a minority of kids because size will not add any gameplay relevant thing think about it. You are simply taking away ressources from frontier if you want to make them again for literally nothing since as i said it will bring nothing to the game itself let tzhem concentrate on more important things please.


No show me the giga so i can disprove you with officially published stuff and not internet made up nonsense.

We have shown you and you dismiss it all as "made up internet lies". You're really sounding like a raging Rex fanboy.

 

[Dinoken]

I’m ok with them being the same size, but he’s saying Tyrannosaurus is bigger and that he can prove it

I guess it all depends on which estimates for the Giganotosaurus holotype - he's relying on.

For example - IF it is 12.2 meters/40 feet - that would be about 10 cm shorter than Scott Hartman's estimate for Sue. As I recall - Scott Hartman's estimate for the Giganotosaurus holotype is about 12.4 meters/40.7 feet long, or about 10 cm longer than his estimate for Sue.

Personally - I think it better to quote the comparison figures - from the same source - when ever possible - that way you get a better comparison.

 

[Grimnir]

Are people really trying to defend Tyrannosaurus being the largest theropod in the game with "well in real life size variations between individuals blah blah"? How about they just follow WHAT IS IN THE BLOODY FILMS? For God's sake, it really is that simple, Rex doesn't become awful and boring just because it's not the absolute biggest meat-eater on land.

Definetly not defending that. I was expecting Giga to rival it in size at the very minimum. And it should.

 

[paleostudent]

https://scotthartman.deviantart.com/art/North-vs-South-Giant-theropod-square-off-361721772

Sadly nothing is published for giganotosaurus as we have only 1 specimen with about 70% completion. The last thing for the trex is its tongue only 3 days old that its more like croc alligator tongues, they couldt streth it out.

But that from scott describes it pretty well mainly what he said below read it. The fragments of the giga are just to little also fragments from bigger trexes then sue are just to little but bot fragments estimates that trex is still bigger if it would be correctly. And yea i mean its not by much or anything just that it IS. trex just was way more bulkier at adult stage which makes it the bigger animal overall.

Size is determined in weight. imagine itz like that

trex was the fat bulky robust boy 25km/h

giga was the more agile fragile speedier one estimated speed of 50km/h which is absolutely insane for an animal this size.


but still rex was a bigger animal overall and by definiton.

So lets say ingame we have the biggest trex specimen since the jp rex is based on sue (its still larger then the real counterpart for the movie effect)

and the giga is the holotype still huge(just compare it to a guest then you get a feeling for the size) but not as much.

trex will always look bigger due to the fact that it was a very bulky animal even if it would be shorter in lenght it would look bigger.

lets hope they find new gigas since in 2018 its the golden age of paelontology they find every week one new species(thats insane right). Because we have a lot of rexes already since hell creek was a floodplain so the chances were really high that the bones could fossilize.

 

[Shadowear1991]

It is bigger heavier and longer i dont lknow cant you use the internet? Theres no giga bigger then Sue 12,4m.

Yeah everywhere I look on the internet GIganotosaurus is stated as the slightly bigger not heavier but slight longer as it’s stated to be 45ft long, , I’m happy to have them be both the same size but I asked you to prove it... and you asked me to search the Internet well I have... and that’s what I’ve come back with...

 

[Shadowear1991]

I guess it all depends on which estimates for the Giganotosaurus holotype - he's relying on.

For example - IF it is 12.2 meters/40 feet - that would be about 10 cm shorter than Scott Hartman's estimate for Sue. As I recall - Scott Hartman's estimate for the Giganotosaurus holotype is about 12.4 meters/40.7 feet long, or about 10 cm longer than his estimate for Sue.

Personally - I think it better to quote the comparison figures - from the same source - when ever possible - that way you get a better comparison.

Yeah and I’m totally fine with them being the same size, I have no issue with that at all.

 

[Grimnir]

I just want the models fixed. All of them. And that includes getting Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus up to size. If T-rex is staying 14 meters long and 5 meters tall as ingame then were gonna have to have one hefty Giga and spinosaurus.

 

[Shadowear1991]

https://scotthartman.deviantart.com/art/North-vs-South-Giant-theropod-square-off-361721772

Sadly nothing is published for giganotosaurus as we have only 1 specimen with about 70% completion. The last thing for the trex is its tongue only 3 days old that its more like croc alligator tongues, they couldt streth it out.

But that from scott describes it pretty well mainly what he said below read it. The fragments of the giga are just to little also fragments from bigger trexes then sue are just to little but bot fragments estimates that trex is still bigger if it would be correctly. And yea i mean its not by much or anything just that it IS. trex just was way more bulkier at adult stage which makes it the bigger animal overall.

Size is determined in weight. imagine itz like that

trex was the fat bulky robust boy 25km/h

giga was the more agile fragile speedier one estimated speed of 50km/h which is absolutely insane for an animal this size.


but still rex was a bigger animal overall and by definiton.

So lets say ingame we have the biggest trex specimen since the jp rex is based on sue (its still larger then the real counterpart for the movie effect)

and the giga is the holotype still huge(just compare it to a guest then you get a feeling for the size) but not as much.

trex will always look bigger due to the fact that it was a very bulky animal even if it would be shorter in lenght it would look bigger.

lets hope they find new gigas since in 2018 its the golden age of paelontology they find every week one new species(thats insane right). Because we have a lot of rexes already since hell creek was a floodplain so the chances were really high that the bones could fossilize.

So within this post we have proven that Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus Rex are roughly the same length and hight? But T-Rex is more bulky... something I’ve been saying for how many posts now?

So again I will say the should be the same size within the game, all they have to do it shrink the model of the T-Rex a little and expand the Giganotosaurus up to the same length/ hight and you will notice the T-Rex will remain more heavily set and thus it will look much better...

I have no idea what they where thinking when it states in the InGen database that the Giganotosaurus is the same size as Tyrannosaurus, and they they have Ian Malcolm say when you hatch your first Giga “there’s a limit to size, and the Giga pushes that limit” or words to that effect then this tiny Giga comes running out.. it’s stupid and pathetic and so underwhelming.

Now before you say well the T-Rex is so big because it’s an InGen T-Rex or something along those lines don’t because it is almost twice the size of Rexy, and in a way your excusing the developers for misinformation and corrupting the image of dinosaurs for every Dino fan out there...

I must also add that whilst I’m not against the idea of the dinosaurs being exaggerated on screen, where I only have to see them for x amount of seconds or minutes I am against them being exaggerated in a form where I have to see it constantly, I think the games require a sweet spot for these exaggerated dinos (Ceratosaurus) to be somewhere between the real life 7ft length and the 9ft film length not exaggerate it even more and make nearly 11ft because now they gave themselves next to no breathing room for other dinos...