Impossible passenger mission quantities

[Bionic Bytes]

I've just noticed that the passenger missions being offered at Jameson Memorial are bugged in my opinion.

The ones of interest are transporting first class passengers. Missions are asking for 54 First class seats - a task that's near impossible.
Taking the best passenger liner out there - the Beluga as an example:

4 x class 6 slots (12 first class or 8 luxury)
2 x class 5 slots (6 first class or 4 luxury)
1 x class 4 slot (3 first class or 6 business)
4 x class 3 slots (3 business class or 4 econemy)

Given shields can/must go in a slot 6, and you'll need a fuel scoop and DSS....

This gives: 3 x 12 cabins (36 total) + 2 x 6 cabins (12 total) + 1 x 3 cabins (3 total) = 51 first class cabins, plus 6 business class cabins
....unless you think its acceptable to fly without a fuel tank, scoop, DSS or shields.

Is it me or is this plain wrong?

 

[Thetele]

Yes, you have wrong ship, you are not using any of the top passenger ships. There is reasons why people call big 3, big 3 not big 4.

 

[Vardaugas]

That's why I say the passenger ships should have the class of their cabins raised by one tier, so they can effectively carry more high class passengers than other ships.

Edit: Link to a thread I made for this.

 

[Bionic Bytes]

So the beluga liner is not the top passenger liner?
I thought that was it’s sole purpose.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

....unless you think its acceptable to fly without a fuel tank, scoop, DSS or shields.

The Beluga has a 128t default fuel tank, which would be enough for 10 max-range jumps without needing to dock and refuel, so the scoop shouldn't be necessary for the majority of passenger missions - just refuel at the destination.

 

[Brrokk]

My Cutter full of first class cabins regularly carries 54. Very well paid it is too.

Edit: yes, without a fuel scoop. Those people usually only want to go one jump.

 

[Bionic Bytes]

Agreed, the beluga has a decent sized fuel tank, so the extra tanks/scoop are an optional. However, I can still only outfit 51 first class cabins in the class 4-6 slots (leaving the class 3 slots for business cabins/tanks/scoop).
Seems nuts that the best liner out there is not offering the most seats at first class. To me, the fitting of luxury should be available only on the dedicated liners (dolphin, orca, beluga) and first class should be restricted in quantity on all other ships. Business and economy can be unrestricted.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

The Beluga has a 128t default fuel tank, which would be enough for 10 max-range jumps without needing to dock and refuel, so the scoop shouldn't be necessary for the majority of passenger missions - just refuel at the destination.

Are you... Are you suggesting we... Use a game mechanism that involves spending resources?

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

All the big 3 can equip 5x 12 seats First Class (60 pax in total) leaving some spare module for other stuff.

So it's the Beluga to be bugged, which is supposed to be on top of the chart (or at least equivalent to the big 3) when it's about passengers transport.

That's why I sold it long time ago.

If I were at FDEV I would completely rework the cabin space of all ships. The big ships are small towns and they can't carry more passengers than a medium aircraft which is unbelievable....

A B747-8 VIP aircraft can carry 60 people with private lounges and bedrooms. The Beluga is 10 times bigger and it has a maximum of only 38 luxury places (even less). So what are those big windows for? Dedicated windows with view for the Power Plant, FSD and Fuel Tanks?

https://airinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/747-8-VIP-6.jpg

 

[rhiz]

So the beluga liner is not the top passenger liner?
I thought that was it’s sole purpose.

Yes, this has been a bugbear of Beluga owners for a while. It clearly needs attention. Unless you like the ship for it's own innate qualities (as I do), there's simply no compelling reason to buy one over the big 3. I don't think FD have ever commented on the issue. Luxury passenger missions are supposed to mark it out, but in practice they're not frequent or lucrative enough.

 

[rhiz]

Agreed, the beluga has a decent sized fuel tank, so the extra tanks/scoop are an optional. However, I can still only outfit 51 first class cabins in the class 4-6 slots (leaving the class 3 slots for business cabins/tanks/scoop).
Seems nuts that the best liner out there is not offering the most seats at first class. To me, the fitting of luxury should be available only on the dedicated liners (dolphin, orca, beluga) and first class should be restricted in quantity on all other ships. Business and economy can be unrestricted.

That is indeed the case as far as I know (only Saud Kruger ships), but as I said above, they're not really that much of a boon at the moment. Significantly buffing the Luxury missions would go a long way to redeeming the Beluga in my view.

 

[Mxpower76]

Every Beluga post I say the same thing. The top passenger ship can't accept the top passenger mission. That's why I don't fly the Beluga anymore. I just use the Cutter or the Conda for passengers. If they ever fix it I'll buy another one the first day. I liked flying it. Sadly I don't think FD cares about the Beluga. We can blame the intern that designed it for the mess they call a ship.

 

[rhiz]

Every Beluga post I say the same thing. The top passenger ship can't accept the top passenger mission. That's why I don't fly the Beluga anymore. I just use the Cutter or the Conda for passengers. If they ever fix it I'll buy another one the first day. I liked flying it. Sadly I don't think FD cares about the Beluga. We can blame the intern that designed it for the mess they call a ship.

The thing is, it should be easy enough to do. If they brought the best paying luxury passenger missions in line with the best paying haulage missions, which quite often offer up to 50 million, then the dedicated liners would immediately make sense.

 

[Mxpower76]

The thing is, it should be easy enough to do. If they brought the best paying luxury passenger missions in line with the best paying haulage missions, which quite often offer up to 50 million, then the dedicated liners would immediately make sense.

Yes or at least have luxury missions...you know....available. I'm allied in several tourist systems and I almost never see them. I have one class 6 luxury cabin stored for my Orca and I don't think I've ever used it. Yes it would be an easy fix but since 99.9% players don't use the Beluga to shoot anything FD ignores it.

 

[Morbad]

....unless you think its acceptable to fly without a fuel tank, scoop, DSS or shields.

Is it me or is this plain wrong?

It's you.

Not only are these things perfectly acceptable and thus perfectly doable, they are mandatory for some small number of missions.

The Beluga is 10 times bigger

By your argument an airship should also be able to carry more passengers than a 787 because it's volume is greater.

 

[bobdolemite]

When I ran my Beluga the other day I had the same thought. Lots of large passenger first class missions that my Beluga could not accommodate. With some minor changes Beluga could be top tier passenger, I think its really sad that its not. Ships is almost worthless as is (at least for iits intended use). My "easy fix" suggestions:

1.) Free up class 5 locked optional slot so it can be used for shields
OR
2.) Same thing for a class 4 optional HP and allow size 4 shields

Either one of these changes would free up a size 6 optional slot for more passengers. As it stands now my size 6 slot carries a size 5 shield.......

In regard to the OP and passenger missions, I find them to be relatively broken now (not sure since when). I can almost never fill a whole ship going to the same destination. Typically once it gets half full I never see another "x system" job offered. And this is with flipping like 20-30 times and giving up. I dont know what they changed if anything but Passenger missions are in a very sad state ATM.

 

[asphaltpilot]

It's you.

Not only are these things perfectly acceptable and thus perfectly doable, they are mandatory for some small number of missions.



By your argument an airship should also be able to carry more passengers than a 787 because it's volume is greater.

I think what he's trying to say is that the premier passenger ship is being out-passengered by non-passenger ships, a point to which is 100% fact and dumb. There is no reason to have a Beluga until FDev fixes its capacities.

 

[Vardaugas]

With my idea you could fill a Beluga with business cabins, which count as one tier higher on it and you could then carry 86 first class passengers. How about that?

 

[GJ51]

Just use an Anaconda

https://coriolis.edcd.io/import?dat...HQJzblVY/B9J1/AmLVAAAA==&bn=Once you go Black

 

[Bionic Bytes]

Just use an Anaconda

don't want to use annaconda, corvette or cutter - as these are geared up in my shipyard for other purposes.
I wanted to use the Beluga as it's the best (apparently not) and most pretty.

I agree with earlier post - alter the Beluga's module config so we can fit more luxury/first class cabins by allowing a lower class of shield generator.