Guardian SLF - magic ships?

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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Also Guardians can do the floaty electric ball at the Guardian sites so there's (kinda) prior art.

There is a difference between letting something float and having something attached to a spaceship without physical connection - especially if the engines are attached.
The force holding the spaceship together has to be stronger than all possible acceleration forces in all possible directions.

And it makes absolutely no sense, why create a highly advanced technology to accomplish something that a bit of metal or other physical materials can achieve cheaper and easier?
If I think about it, that's the main reason for the slight frowning upon "forcefield attached wings/engines".

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

That was my train of thought too. Which is great for potential easier implementation of space legs (although personally I'd prefer zero-g, if it's gravity plating or nothing I'll take the plating).

Scales differ. That's why it is not workable as space leg solution.

 

[Lordxenu]

just to finish this properly:

spacelegs = things with legs.
things with legs = sore feet
sore feet = podiatric orthotics

orthotics confirmed in season 4.

And we will be able to customize them in the shop.

I can't believe you've just given it away.....

Chapter 5 (beyond the horizon and left a bit) full theme hospital implementation into coriolis stations

Now fully confirmed I'm starting a thread of why the use of antibiotics is unbalanced

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I think it's pretty.

 

[Lightspeed]

I think it's pretty.

Do you suppose the shop will allow pink ones ?

 

[SushiCW]

But the elephants in orbit are the space stations. With universally available artificial gravity (and it would have to be universal if the easy space legs theory is right) there'd be no need to rotate the stations any more. Indeed there'd be no need for new build stations to be cylindrical or to have habitat rings. All that lovely High Frontier-esque design, rendered obsolete.

I can accept a great many things in the Elite universe, but I don't think I'll ever be ready for non-rotating Coriolis stations or stations without rings. They're too iconic. If we do get universal gravitics, someone will have come up with some very solid lore as to why it's more practical to expend energy keeping legacy stations rotating than to retrofit them with gravity plates.

It's not hard to come up with: just say that the artificial gravity tech doesn't scale up efficiently.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Do you suppose the shop will allow pink ones ?

I'd go for white myself.

 

[mossfoot]

I don't mind that the tech exists, but I do think it's a bit off for us to effectively be using this in this way ourselves.

It makes me think there will be hybrid big ships later, and I don't like that at all...

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I don't mind that the tech exists, but I do think it's a bit off. For us to effectively be using this in this way ourselves.

It makes me think there will be hybrid big ships later, and I don't like that at all...

I love it myself.

Guardian Cobra... Oh I can just imagine!

 

[Nagual]

Naaaah! they are using transparent aluminium.

Oddly enough, a real thing and has been for a long time.

 

[Kaocraft]

Look how people here try to explain scientifically this artistic direction the game is headed towards, as if we're not flying in a universe where instant teleportation exists, fighters which 90% of their volume is dedicated to a totally useless holographic projector and windshields capable of withstanding the temperature and luminosity of a star while admiring a planet with liquid water but no atmosphere.

Guys, Elite has departed the scientific accuracy a long time ago
The slf looks cool, let's leave it at that.

In addition to not being a fan of the hokey hand-wavey bits of nonsense that have been added over time, (and really hoping the get retconned out someday), I *also* don't think the new SLFs look very cool, even on plain old artistic merit alone. So it's not a great tradeoff. To me.

 

[Surprised Brony]

What would a vessel from an ancient civilization capable of fighting off the Thargoids look like? I think these are appropriate.

I know they never specified, but that statement about making it as grounded in reality as possible probably didn't include aliens.

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

its not that we don't have already FORCEFIELDS keeping damage away from our hulls, or keeping starports pressurized despite that over hundred meters wide opening that has ships comming in and out all the time...

for me, the interesting thing will be:
what happens when such a guardian fighter is hit by the Thargoid EMP? will it fall apart? (probably not)

 

[Strangepork]

Nonsense!

Plexiglas and fishing line is all that’s needed.

Surely that's window-dressing...

 

[mossfoot]

I love it myself.

Guardian Cobra... Oh I can just imagine!

Ugh... no thanks.

I'm not saying it doesn't look cool (or that a Guardian Cobra wouldn't) but I do feel it would be a step in the wrong direction--unless we actually had interactions with and ties with an alien race. Like, what if the Guardians weren't wiped out, but in hiding in one of the many closed off sectors of the galaxy (there's a big one on the opposite side of the galaxy). A species we actually had dealings with outside of pew pew pew. Then it wouldn't seem quite as bad as you'd expect more of a sharing of technology (and of course they'd need their own ships to fly around in anyway).

Just my feelings on the matter.

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

Oh, Chris Roberts!! You thief you!

 

[Jack Schitt]

Scales differ. That's why it is not workable as space leg solution.

It's not hard to come up with: just say that the artificial gravity tech doesn't scale up efficiently.

Can someone explain this in more detail? I'm confused, especially as one of you seems to be implying that the technology won't scale down, while the other is saying that it won't scale up.

Not saying there isn't a solution here (sometimes Elite's interpretation of physics and pseudo-physics is tenuous at best) but all I see right now is a technology that seems to be capable of holding an object in place relative to another object, at a fixed distance, without physical contact, negating Newton's second law in the process. From where I'm sitting that only seems a sidestep away from artificial gravity, or at least something that would subjectively feel like gravity if exposed to it.

Now if you want to surmise that the field itself is destructive to organic material, we might be onto something. In fact that might be a useful secondary characteristic for something designed to fight Thargoids. But now we're well outside of what we've seen in the video, and into pure speculation. Based solely on the visible physics, that technology looks to me very much like a precursor to gravity plating. Maybe even a tractor beam, although that's more easily dismissed if we assume the field strength drops exponentially with distance.

 

[lenna]

All I care about is whether they can be used effectively vs humans. If they are Thargoid-only content, that seems like a waste.

The likelihood is they are going to balanced in a similar way to Guardian weapons, based on my experience that means equally effective (or at least effective enough against humans).

 

[Ziljan]

The likelihood is they are going to balanced in a similar way to Guardian weapons, based on my experience that means equally effective (or at least effective enough against humans).

In my experience guardian weapons are about as effective as a bad weapons build with human tech. However since regular SLFs can't be engineered but already start off with a decent damage boost, it's really hard for me to guess where the Guardian SLF weapons will fall in this scale. I just hope that's they aren't useless like the AX fighter. I would hope that needing to be unlocked would give them a decent reason to not be highly specialized filler content.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I was already a bit annoyed by the magic guardian sentinels, but now we (apparently) get hybrid guardian magic ships as SLFs.

Why magic?
Because how do those free floating elements of the ship stick together without magic? I know it looks cool for some people, but ships like this annoy me a lot.

Something like that would require two separate forces to work against each other, perfect synchronization of the flight patterns (countering all additional forces) to keep the parts together and lossless energy transfer (or power plants in each element).

Argh.

Any tech that we do not understand will look like magic. To be honest, it really does not bother me in the slightest.