Obsidian Ant complains a lot lately. I'm not an explorer and don't mind. His opinion doesn't carry more weight than yours or mine.
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The bubble was established before that.
Your point?
I have to accept change. Why not you?
Careful dude, can't go
I don't care about OA. In fact, I don't really like him.
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I'd guess most people complaining about this have never and will never go to Colonia, it's just another excuse for high pitched shrieking.
Gripping hand: No engineers in Colonia.[yesnod]
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I will absolutely go to Colonia. Wouldn't be the first time.
This time I'd even have a reason.
Then I'd laugh as people complain about the toys I have that they "can't" have.
Maybe the Colonials will speak for themselves if they think its a real problem.
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No, you gave an example of one person who is no more important than any other player, complaining.
Yeah, I realise some people will not be too happy about this. But you can't please everybody. I'll take the opportunity to work on my exploration rank while traveling there. If the blueprints will be worth it, that is.
Do it in a MKIV with black Friday paint a Jameson pilot name and some guardian weps.
You would guess wrong. Again. I am in Colonia and I think what was a welcome quality of life improvement has been announced in a manner that adds grind and frustration.
The purpose of this thread is to ask fdev to make the trivial change of removing the need for people to make a 44K ly round trip to use them.
Again, unlocking engineers in Colonia costs nobody anything and makes many fellow players happy. Why do you want to off other players instead? What do you gain?
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I didn't want to resort to this, but I feel it has to be said.
Has it occured to you that by not engaging with the engineers, you might actually be playing the game wrong?
As for running off to Colonia before 2.1... Well, as I am told so often, all choices have consequences.
"Life isn't fair."
Agreed. I am genuinely baffled why some players just want other players games to be worse when a positive change costs them nothing. Its just weird. Its a poor change and cost free to fix, just unlock them. Why would ANY player be against fixing it?
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I've said those very words many times on these very forums. All I've got was more "Life isn't fair" comments.
I have unlocked them, the fact we have to join and do it again is a pain, If we have unlocked to level 5 why do we have to upgrade them again. Just because they have traveled to Colonia, just seems stupid as we don't have to do it any other place after they have reached that level.
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So, when Colonia was founded the basic request from the players was "the ability to found a new player-driven colony".
While Frontier have arguably been pretty good at providing CGs and rewards which match how players generally wanted Colonia to develop, the ability to directly prioritise what blueprints engineers specialise in is:
1) The first non-CG occasion on which player actions can provide a permanent improvement to the galaxy (as opposed to 2.4's station repairs which just remove a persistent detriment, or the BGS and Powerplay which just shuffle the existing bits around)
2) The first directly player-driven way to enhance a system. (as opposed to hoping your CG gets into the queue)
Yes, the level of blueprint provided by an engineer is fairly minor in importance - especially since for anyone with a decent set of pinned blueprints, there's minimal benefit past G1 anyway - but it's a good proof of concept of the principle.
I guess people will vote with their feet as to whether this is "too grindy" or "exactly what we were waiting for" ... if the result is "too grindy - we should have it all handed to us on a plate by Frontier" then I expect they'll quietly deprioritise any other colonisation and development mechanics on the roadmap and just go back to moving the Thargoids around once a week. But I don't think that will happen...
It's not how I'd have done it - I'd just have had however many there are as their own tree with a "common knowledge" one at the start - but there's a good argument for doing it this way:
1) Any Colonia engineer, by definition, has an "invite" requirement (travel 22kLY from start and then probably do something else) several times bigger than the 3rd-row Palin, so making them 2nd-row is hardly disproportionate
2) Absolute beginners really shouldn't be getting pointed at Colonia anyway, which a "common knowledge" engineer would do.
3) As with a lot of changes it may catch a few people in a bit of a strange situation on release day, but six months down the line or for people starting the game the day after 3.2's release it will be completely irrelevant. "Unlock the basic engineers before you leave" will be just as much a part of advice to people travelling out there as "pin some good blueprints before you leave", "remember to put some A-rated modules in storage" or similar already is ... and as "if you want anything that's not a D-rated Viper/T-6 you'll have to bring it yourself" used to be in the earlier days of the region.
When 3.0's remote workshops came in, everyone in Colonia who wanted to get any use out of them had to make a round trip for the pins. (And probably unlocked any worthwhile engineers they were missing on the way to get some extra pins) Wasn't a big deal then ... certainly not a big deal for anyone thinking about heading here for the first time now!
Jaques was established before engineers, but wasn't discovered after his misjump in the Eol Prou region until around the 2.1.05 release, several months after Engineers arrived. The initial work to stabilise and rescue the station involved a lot of hauling from the bubble, with the region only really getting its own basic economy in 2.2.
I've met the occasional person passing through Colonia who had literally been on an exploration trip on the far side of the galaxy since before 2.1 (2.5 years ago!) and had missed ... well, quite a lot, really ... but they were extremely rare and had bigger to-do lists anyway.
I've full access to all engineers and I've been using them extensively on every new ship I buy. I've also been to colonia in the past, and spent about 3 months there, visited BP and finally returned to the bubble.
I mean to say that this change doesn't affect me, personally. Having said that, I think it's stupid to ask people in Colonia, those that haven't used engineers before to travel all this distance and back. If they don't, suddenly they're at a disadvantage against all those that arrive fully prepared and able to engineer the ships they buy locally without having to wait 60 hours for them to transfer from the bubble and at a huge cost.
Why does this company have to give with one hand and take with the other?
I mean to say that this change doesn't affect me, personally. Having said that, I think it's stupid to ask people in Colonia, those that haven't used engineers before to travel all this distance and back. If they don't, suddenly they're at a disadvantage against all those that arrive fully prepared and able to engineer the ships they buy locally without having to wait 60 hours for them to transfer from the bubble and at a huge cost.
Why does this company have to give with one hand and take with the other?
Nice thanks for the link! I was think of buying this ship cause I think it is cool, cheap and I like the open cockpit!
I think he's a great presenter and he seems like a rather nice fellow. My opinions of the game are their own of course though.