I mean exactly what I said in my post. There is no conceivable way that Zac's claim that FD has "dedicated" a "full development team" of "over 100 people" to work on Elite for a "full year" during Beyond is true.
Why does it take so long to fix game issues?
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I mean exactly what I said in my post. There is no conceivable way that Zac's claim that FD has "dedicated" a "full development team" of "over 100 people" to work on Elite for a "full year" during Beyond is true.
So in summary, everything's fine because the advertised content all is showing up in the final part of the year?
Yeah, I don't agree with that.
If Fdev pulls a fast one on everyone and Q4 turns out to have all the improvements and fixes to existing core game content that was anticipated, sure, everything can be forgiven.
But nothing about Zac's post is giving me faith that will happen.
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I'd definitely believe that's been a contributing factor. Given the out of touch management, I'd expect adding the multiplatform branching has made things even more difficult to deal with.
So, unless I'm very much mistaken this is our current situation (abstracted for the sake of clarity):
- Person A makes a statement
- Person B then explains how that statement can be true
- Person C then states that there is no conceivable way that the statement can be true
- Person B then seeks clarity from Person C as to how there can be any logical consistency to what's set about above
- Person C then just repeats what they said at step 3
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The exact number of people working on Elite no longer matters. Its almost assuredly NOT 100 FULL TIME devs. It might be 100 people occasionally dropping in to add a line of code when they arent busy working on projects that actually make money...but there it is literally impossible for 100 full time developers to produce so little in a year...unless of course the content delivery pipeline is a broken mess. Regardless, however, that does not matter. At all.
What does, is this: No online game can survive with a development pace this glacial. Period. End of discussion. It cant be done, and that is that. Call it a niche game all you want. Say it was never going to attract a large crowd if this scares you. I dont care. Because no online game can survive with a development pace like this one. People will simply get tired of waiting for new content...and that is in a normal game, where new content offers actual new game play...more less a game like this, where new content is basically new things to look at and click on repeatedly.
Years ago, due to a staggering amount of incompetence (seriously, no other justification exists) someone high up took a loot at this engine, and made the incredibly ill advised decision to go online multiplayer despite the clear inability of their tech to handle this decision with anything approaching reliability, more less aplomb. Frontier has 3 games on the Cobra engine. One of those is multiplayer. Of those three games, the one with the worst reviews, fewest players, most bugs and least content (not to mention, the most glacial content delivery pace) is the online game.
Because the tech they shoehorned into that role, does not work to deliver. (This is evidenced by the reliance on Peer to Peer and the crap instancing mechanics that are relied on for literally everything and that, by extension, ensure nothing matters or has a lasting impact on the universe). And now, we, the players, are paying for the ineptitude responsible for trying - and failing, utterly and miserably, and very, very visibly failing - to make a small, niche game on a bad engine work as a large, games-as-a-service multiplayer phenomenon. It didnt work, and on this tech, its not ever going to work. Period.
Honestly, folks...have a sit down. Take a deep breath. And let it go. Because really, you need to prepare yourselves. This is it. Its done. Is over. Legs isnt coming. Atmo probably isnt even coming. Honestly, I would be surprised if more content is on the way for this misguided, 4 year old, financial black hole of a pet project. They tried. They failed. Its over.
I dont like. I would be happy to be proven wrong. But with the twin blows of Brett's technical limitations confession, and Zac's content delivery delay...if they HAD concrete good news to deliver, they would have offered it up, if only to soften the PR disasters they have created this week.
Which means they dont have good news. At all. Literally nothing quantifiable or concrete exists. Or is even in the pipeline and at a point where they can tell us, with certainty, that it will be delivered. Four years in, and they got nothing. That, is plain to see.
Frontier are throwing in the towel, folks. Face it. Its over.
What does, is this: No online game can survive with a development pace this glacial. Period. End of discussion. It cant be done, and that is that. Call it a niche game all you want. Say it was never going to attract a large crowd if this scares you. I dont care. Because no online game can survive with a development pace like this one. People will simply get tired of waiting for new content...and that is in a normal game, where new content offers actual new game play...more less a game like this, where new content is basically new things to look at and click on repeatedly.
Years ago, due to a staggering amount of incompetence (seriously, no other justification exists) someone high up took a loot at this engine, and made the incredibly ill advised decision to go online multiplayer despite the clear inability of their tech to handle this decision with anything approaching reliability, more less aplomb. Frontier has 3 games on the Cobra engine. One of those is multiplayer. Of those three games, the one with the worst reviews, fewest players, most bugs and least content (not to mention, the most glacial content delivery pace) is the online game.
Because the tech they shoehorned into that role, does not work to deliver. (This is evidenced by the reliance on Peer to Peer and the crap instancing mechanics that are relied on for literally everything and that, by extension, ensure nothing matters or has a lasting impact on the universe). And now, we, the players, are paying for the ineptitude responsible for trying - and failing, utterly and miserably, and very, very visibly failing - to make a small, niche game on a bad engine work as a large, games-as-a-service multiplayer phenomenon. It didnt work, and on this tech, its not ever going to work. Period.
Honestly, folks...have a sit down. Take a deep breath. And let it go. Because really, you need to prepare yourselves. This is it. Its done. Is over. Legs isnt coming. Atmo probably isnt even coming. Honestly, I would be surprised if more content is on the way for this misguided, 4 year old, financial black hole of a pet project. They tried. They failed. Its over.
I dont like. I would be happy to be proven wrong. But with the twin blows of Brett's technical limitations confession, and Zac's content delivery delay...if they HAD concrete good news to deliver, they would have offered it up, if only to soften the PR disasters they have created this week.
Which means they dont have good news. At all. Literally nothing quantifiable or concrete exists. Or is even in the pipeline and at a point where they can tell us, with certainty, that it will be delivered. Four years in, and they got nothing. That, is plain to see.
Frontier are throwing in the towel, folks. Face it. Its over.
The towel has been used to mop up the salty tears flowing in abundance from the forum, and is now so wet that it no longer functions. The order for Mega sponges has had an unforseen delay in delivery, which explains the postponement of some ED features.
As soon as the Mega sponges do arrive, work will recommence.
Frontier don't care about Elite Dangerous anymore now that they are getting paid to make licensed games such as JW.
There are days that I share this opinion, usually right after an update drops that ignores all the bugs I've reported, but it's my sincere hope that you and I are wrong, even if a positive outcome for Elite Dangerous is only one in 14,000,605 possibilities.
I laught, thank you.
No, I was simply talking about the 100 people over a year side of things. In summary, a perceived non-adherence to a delivery model is not a valid basis for criticism when that delivery model is not not the delivery model which was set out.
That's not got any bearing on any concerns you might individually have about what that delivery model is supposed to be delivering.
I totally agree with you. Have some rep sir.
Are you seriously suggesting that there aren't ~100 coders working on ED?!
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No.
I am GUARANTEEING that there are not 100 people working, FULL TIME, on JUST Elite. Because if there were, the pace of content delivery wouldn't be something only evolution and erosion could appreciate.
Are there 100 people who drop in a line of code or an art asset annually? Sure. No doubt. So 100 people isnt a lie. Per se. But 100 full time, dedicated people, working exclusively on Elite? The only way that's the case, is that the delivery pipeline is so hopelessly broken, that they may as well quit anyway.
Based on what?
Also, can you GUARANTEE the winning lottery numbers for next week please.
Nope, they just confirmed 100+ devs recently plus new content free and premium everything's looking just super.
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Based on the glacial pace of content delivery.
Look - one of three things, IS absolutely, observably true:
1. There are NOT 100 full time devs exclusive to Elite. This is observable truth, based on the glacial pace of development and the complete inability to deliver actual, new game play mechanics in anything resembling a timely and stable fashion.
2. There ARE 100 full time developers dedicated to Elite, but the content pipeline is a hopelessly broken mess they lack the time, ability or both to fix. Hence, the glacial pace of delivery.
3. There ARE 100 full time developers working on Elite. Most of them either artists, or the slowest game play developers in the history of modern, multi-million dollar games.
One of those 3 things IS inarguable, observable truth. Believe whichever one you choose, because it literally does not matter, as none of them is a positive for players.
Well I'm glad at least that this isn't going to have to be something where we're going to have to go back over the possible misconception that developers == coders.