If Combat Logging is a bad thing. Then why is it okay to attack a player faction without being seen?

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

In a game where PvP is optional, affecting the BGS, from any mode, cannot then be considered to be cheating.

You're right, we will call it an unfair disadvantage. While one is indeed cheating. They both allow you to accomplish the same thing. One is allowed one is not.

One is cheating. The other is clearly a disadvantage to the defender.

Nothing wrong in asking this to be addressed

 

[Powderpanic]

No difference than playing on Xbox and affecting factions on pc or PS4.

Combat logging and game modes are very different. Apples and oranges.

Broken argument.

Consoles still have PVP players who COULD be a counter/threat/challenge.

Powerpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Sir.Tj]

Still your fault.

But seriously, I think it's time to agree to disagree.

 

[Robert Maynard]

You're right, we will call it an unfair disadvantage. While one is indeed cheating. They both allow you to accomplish the same thing. One is allowed one is not.

One is cheating. The other is clearly a disadvantage to the defender.

Nothing wrong is asking this to be addressed

Every defender can engage in the same tactics - players who would prefer to engage in an optional play-style to defend must rely on the attacker(s) to also want to engage in that optional play-style (which they don't have to, of course).

 

[Powderpanic]

Every defender can engage in the same tactics - players who would prefer to engage in an optional play-style to defend must rely on the attacker(s) to also want to engage in that optional play-style (which they don't have to, of course).

Rob..... and that makes sense to you???

Powerpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Robert Maynard]

Rob..... and that makes sense to you???

Powerpanic
The Voice of Griefing

It does - as this is not a game designed to place PvP in a dominant position.

Asynchronous, indirect competition through the BGS means that all players, in all timezones and on all platforms can compete against each other.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

But seriously, I think it's time to agree to disagree.

Its okay that we disagree. Thats perfectly acceptable. Other things not so much.

I bring this up because I want the people that disagree to think about this for a bit.

If the end goal is to affect another group of players. And Frontier says combat logging is a bad thing. Because people are removing themselves from the engagement. Allowing them to complete their tasks against one another.

Then how is using a different mode any different here? Even though its allowed, the same thing can be accomplished.

How is that acceptable if they both are essentially the same thing. Removing yourself to complete the objective against other people?

 

[Robert Maynard]

Then how is using a different mode any different here? Even though its allowed, the same thing can be accomplished.

How is that acceptable if they both are essentially the same thing. Removing yourself to complete the objective against other people?

Michael answered this point years ago:

Is there planned to be any defense against the possibility that player created minor factions could be destroyed with no possible recourse through Private Groups or Solo play?

From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices. While we are aware that some players disagree, this hasn't changed for us.

Michael

.... and it seems that Frontier's stance has not changed:

Hello Commanders!

Firstly, thank you for your continued feedback. The passion here is both amazing, terrifying and humbling.

To reiterate a few points:

1. The reason we have opened this feedback channel is specifically to hear your opinions before we decide on how to proceed. Although any final decision will always settle on our shoulders, feedback you provide plays a massively significant role and nothing yet is set in stone.

2. We see a number of interesting issues that we're chewing over: accessibility of Powerplay modules, PMF and Powers, pad blocking to name a few. We'll keep you update with our thoughts.

3. We are looking at the *possibility* of Open only for Powerplay only. Not the BGS or anything else.

 

[Stewart_]

Not at all.

I cannot pvp people who are not on a PC.

There maybe many more players on pc than Xbox or PS4, do there’s a numerical advantage on pc.

Anyway, Game modes are here and valid game play.

Why did you even compare combat logging to game mode???

Broken argument.

Consoles still have PVP players who COULD be a counter/threat/challenge.

Powerpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Lestat]

Well, hands Jmanis a fresh bag of popcorn. It better than the hangover cures.

 

[Stewart_]

Your tag line would be better changed to:

Powerpanic
The Voice of Trolling

 

[Whitehair]

The other is clearly a disadvantage to the defender.

That's because the defender in this case is insisting on using the wrong tools for the job. Use the correct tools (BGS counter activities) and you can easliy neutralise that disadvantage.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Why did you even compare combat logging to game mode???

Because he wants to shoot more players.

 

[WhoCares]

What it comes down to is the simple fact that we actually don't have PvE - there would be no discussion if it was just PvE. What we have is PvEvP, with E being the BGS. The whole discussion boils down to some people asking for a bypass to the BGS.
I also deem it funny that some people always insist on being able to defend themself in open. I wonder what will happen if they attack the system of a PvE(vP) PMF - shall those suddenly be forced into open combat as well, with their completely inadequate PvE(vP) ships - maybe they are part of the no-engineering club as well - tough luck, I guess...

Do you have no response to this?!

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Do you have no response to this?!

Put some defenses on those PVE ships and stop crying about getting attacked when your goal is to affect another player faction?

I guess my response would be to stop crying about engineers and go take part of that game like everyone else.

 

[Zieman]

Whatever is going on here. For this amount of time. Is not right.

Exactly. So, stop spouting lies and trying to control the discussion!

 

[Robert Maynard]

Put some defenses on those PVE ships and stop crying about getting attacked when your goal is to affect another player faction?

I guess my response would be to stop crying about engineers and go take part of that game like everyone else.

"Everyone else"?

One Dev has indicated that Frontier are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.

While a majority of players would seem to play in Open, Sandro has indicated that both Solo and Private Groups have significant populations.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

stop crying about getting attacked

My irony fix for today came early.

 

[Ashnak]

I guess my response would be to stop crying about engineers and go take part of that game like everyone else.

As long as "everyone else" plays the game the same way you do? Sorry, but those players are "everyone else", too. That's the problem with "everyone else" - it also includes people whose opinion (and playstyle, in this case) is different to yours.

 

[kofeyh]

Ya'll arguing an irrelevant point that Frontier actually want a level playing field, because if you've not actually worked out by now, you've not been paying attention. Spoiler: they don't. Conflict is baked into the game. It's part of the fabric of Elite itself.

Apparently, it's also baked into the forums. Hey, I take back what I said about Frontier not being consistent about anything at all. At least that bit is consistent. I've been a fool, all this time. *wistful look*

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Hang on just one minute, here; T.j just admitted something was their fault. This.. this changes everything. Holy god it's a sign. A sign I tell you! I don't know what of, but by the hairs of Sandro's.. uh.. head, IT IS A SIGN.

Run, you fools.