Reps like an Egyptian.
Modes Mega ships open only content?
- Thread starter Wyldwiisel
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Reps like an Egyptian.
I'm by no means a Faction expert, so I'll take your word on that!
(about Open only gameplay events that effect the BGS and that are only opposable by direct actions)
The problem isn't factions or the BGS. If an event is intended to be only opposable by direct actions - group A has to do X while group B has to prevent X - then this only works if both sides of that conflict are present.
What should happen if the opposing side doesn't show up?
One option is to let the group who shows up to win. This is basically removing the requirement of winning against opposition. Making the open only part completely superfluous as facing direct opposition would be purely optional. Both sides can actively decide to avoid the direct confrontation and try to do a similar event on their own. Since that is the easier method it will become the most used method.
Since the direct opposition is in that case completely optional there is no reason why those events shouldn't happen in all other modes.
The other option is to only allow the event to happen if both parties are present. This requires strict time management. Making it something that rarely happens. And if it happens it happens as a result of both parties having coordinated themselves to let it happen. Something they can do even if the event happens in all modes. They just have to agree upon a time and a place.
(That is assuming that there is enough time to coordinate such a cooperative competitive gameplay event - if not, then the entire event is completely pointless.)
It's a well known fact there's no griefing in EvE for instance, because it has objectives and no modes.
You just have to use the same method as the Tesla Bears. "Tesla is going bancrupt" has been their adage since 2012, when the Model S ramped production. "Tesla can't do it, they need too much money", "they are burning cash" etc. - The S ramp went fine, if quite delayed. Then the X was announced. "Ok, but NOW Tesla is going bancrupt".
Now we're at the Model 3 which is currently eating breakfast, dinner and lunch of BMW, Mercedes and Audi in the US, and we still hear the same prognosis. "It can't be done." "They will run out of money"
So with regards to Elite Dangerous, it's never to late to proclaim the death of the game due to the PvP minority not getting their way all the time. (Notably, they did get most of the new content in the past few years though...)
Just shift the goalposts! ED or aspects of it need to go open only, "or the game will die". If it hasn't died in the past 6 years, for sure it's going to happen in year 7
And if there was no way to have instancing failures let people play alone. Because that's what's P2P results in. Which renders the entire idea moot - but for some reason we're not talking about this little nugget which completely obliterates their argument.
No no, we need to burn down a hotel, remember? Don't think, just pour that emergent gasoline.
You guys keep trying...but are blinded to the FACT that the game cannot support what you desire...and the devs ignore your requests because of it!
You see wasted potential....the devs have said for 6 years, this is how the game works and these are the rules and they are not changing!
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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You just have to use the same method as the Tesla Bears. "Tesla is going bancrupt" has been their adage since 2012, when the Model S ramped production. "Tesla can't do it, they need too much money", "they are burning cash" etc. - The S ramp went fine, if quite delayed. Then the X was announced. "Ok, but NOW Tesla is going bancrupt".
Now we're at the Model 3 which is currently eating breakfast, dinner and lunch of BMW, Mercedes and Audi in the US, and we still hear the same prognosis. "It can't be done." "They will run out of money"
So with regards to Elite Dangerous, it's never to late to proclaim the death of the game due to the PvP minority not getting their way all the time. (Notably, they did get most of the new content in the past few years though...)
Just shift the goalposts! ED or aspects of it need to go open only, "or the game will die". If it hasn't died in the past 6 years, for sure it's going to happen in year 7
And if there was no way to have instancing failures let people play alone. Because that's what's P2P results in. Which renders the entire idea moot - but for some reason we're not talking about this little nugget which completely obliterates their argument.
No no, we need to burn down a hotel, remember? Don't think, just pour that emergent gasoline.
Fdev wanted to do this with Powerplay and go Open Only. Everything you just listed above as a problem. And they still would like to move forward with it.
BGS or Powerplay. Its just a different framework in the same game.
They could push the whole game open only. I mean all of it.
Especially if they update their back end equipment. Just like other Game Companies do.
Just like WoW did. Just like League did.
Jesus guys. You need to think out side the box. And stop living in this small bubble thats elite dangerous.
Stop making every excuse in the book for it not to happen.
They know what they are capable of and want to make the changes.
It could easily apply here with all the reworks they did this year.
Robert Maynard
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.... but for the fact that Frontier have just restated their commitment to a shared BGS.
PowerPlay, maybe. BGS, highly unlikely, in my opinion, of course.
Just because something *could* happen or that some other games have done it does not mean that Frontier will choose to do so.
PowerPlay, maybe. BGS, highly unlikely, in my opinion, of course.
Just because something *could* happen or that some other games have done it does not mean that Frontier will choose to do so.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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To be fair, they never spoke about influences or the chance of weighted succession or no weighted succession.
Rep and credits and all the new stuff could still be persistent. However, the BGS can still exist throughout all the modes. While influence rates get restricted.
Its still usable by everyone. And the multiplayer part of the game receives a level playing field.
We dont know anything else. They didnt give us any fine print about it.
Squadrons could very well be that small print.
Thats my hope and my opinion of course.
...and there it is.
You know when they describe a feature as amazing and special, they want to get rid of it. The writing is on the proverbial wall.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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To be fair these forums are amazing and special. I blame TJ.
Just another manic BGS thread.
Maybe Frontier could develop a splinter game.. maybe call it Elite: New Frontiers, where the Thargoid method of transport has been hijacked and used to travel to Andromeda, where some plucky explorer and frontier types have decided to set up their own settlements... and allow proper PvP and wars to be fought in the same way that you cannot do in THIS game.
I bet that would sell well.
Maybe Frontier could develop a splinter game.. maybe call it Elite: New Frontiers, where the Thargoid method of transport has been hijacked and used to travel to Andromeda, where some plucky explorer and frontier types have decided to set up their own settlements... and allow proper PvP and wars to be fought in the same way that you cannot do in THIS game.
I bet that would sell well.
Just an other manic monday, wish it was sunday that's my fun day?
Is it Beagles day today?
We already had "Eternal Flame" and "Walk like an Egyptian" and now "Manic Monday".
Stop it please. I worked hard trying to forget those songs existed and you all are ruining that…
(Sorry mods for going really off topic here, but it had to be said - for our all sanity.)
And we need to play it on a LAN party rather than hiding behind router and firewall.
How about we stay in our Elite Dangerous bubble and you move on to another bubble where you could find what you seek?
Elite: Dangerous was designed with all modes being equal from the beginning. It was one of the features that meant the game was kickstarted and many people who bought the game did it because they liked that feature.
If Frontier made the game open only or the BGS open only there would be so much negativity with accusations of bait and switch, that for the first time people could actually say "the game is doomed" and be right. Frontier know that and they won't remove a feature that would annoy and make many customers leave.
Basically, Frontier, in my opinion wouldn't give that feature up and they wouldn't let the backers down. They would never run around and desert the people who made this game possible.
If Frontier made the game open only or the BGS open only there would be so much negativity with accusations of bait and switch, that for the first time people could actually say "the game is doomed" and be right. Frontier know that and they won't remove a feature that would annoy and make many customers leave.
Basically, Frontier, in my opinion wouldn't give that feature up and they wouldn't let the backers down. They would never run around and desert the people who made this game possible.