will you be missing board flipping????

Jmanis

Jmanis
I'll miss board flipping, until State, Faction Government and Economy have a much more major impact on the mission board generations.

Fact that I can go to a Corporate government, Extraction economy in a Boom state and get one board full of delivery/salvage, flip the board, and get a board full of Donation and Assasination missions proves the impact of these conditions is *far too small* compared to the overall RNG impact.

It needs to go, but the extant mission board issues need to go too.
 

ManRightChea

ManRightChea
No because once they break the game for good I won't have any reason to care about the future of a title that's not actually fun.

The way I see it they've already nerfed every good meaningful mission type, removed every decent income opportunity, continue to add ships and expensive modules rather than fix the problems of the game and make the universe more alive, and the game is already extremely hostile to new players that have to grind up to a level that was previously made much easier by exploits; which the truly oldest veterans of the game manipulated to maximum effect while hypocritically calling for the nerfs that have turned the game into what it is.

I'm glad I earned all of my A class ships while the getting was good even after a post gold mine Elite, but I see now that this game will not grow because the same for brand new player would be much, much more difficult.

Anaconda will remain broken because of its hull mass, which means every ship that comes out is irrelevant. That means every large ship will be inferior, and every other class ship will just be Taco Bell with the same ingredients mixed different ways.

Killing board flipping is just going to be the final nail in the coffin of a dog that should have been taken out back long ago. The fact that they think that improving payouts by 10% while not realizing that board flipping is a symptom of a problem, tells me that there is no reason to think that the future will improve this game.

Once 3.4 comes out, I can wake up and smell the coffee once and for all and abandon this title. Luckily when you have low expectations you are never disappointed. My personal expectations have been in the Marianas trench for some time now.
 

CMDR MRMAURICE

CMDR MRMAURICE
jacozilla said:
You seem to be confusing and mixing a totally separate topic - are we getting enough credits in reasonable time frame - vs this thread which is -will you miss board flipping?

True - sometimes those that board flip want more and better paying missions...but for many that's the least of it. If it was down to min/maxing 'better paying' vs the lower paying mission, I doubt there would be as many saying would miss board flipping.

It comes down to not being able to fill your ship with correct missions at ANY pay -
e.g.
a) I want to take break from grinding credits, do some assassination missions - ooops, sorry, there's either none or only 1. Go board flip to take a few more

b) I want to mine in my mining ship which I'm currently sitting in, at a refinery/extract station but -ooops, sorry, there's either none or gotta play board fliip RNG lotto to get mining mission to pop up.

c) I want to go kill some massacre enemy missions - either there's none or there's tons, but the tons that are listed have XX huge counts of kills required, so I board flip to get the ones that I can finish this play session.

and so on , etc.

I concede ONE type of board flipping has to do with min/maxing credits, but there's a LOT of other kinds of board flipping that just has to do with matching what preferred profession or session activity someone wants to do. Bringing in 'oh we can now make faster credits as a noob commander restart' has very little to do with not being able to find the missions types you want.
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You could change your name to, "I want"?

Board flipping is going, thank god. You seem to be confusing ANYBODY else's opinion. Starting a new CMDR is the ideal way to find out if board flipping affects new players. Because by now EVERYONE is a multi-billionaire. No one board flips for certain missions (go to the right system for starters), they do it to MAX out credits. Navy missions? Do something else until you get one, it is that easy, or just know where to look. Whether you like it or not, or want to force your opinion on others, its happening, get over it
 

XanderVekk

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CMDR MRMAURICE said:
You could change your name to, "I want"?

Board flipping is going, thank god. You seem to be confusing ANYBODY else's opinion. Starting a new CMDR is the ideal way to find out if board flipping affects new players. Because by now EVERYONE is a multi-billionaire. No one board flips for certain missions (go to the right system for starters), they do it to MAX out credits. Navy missions? Do something else until you get one, it is that easy, or just know where to look. Whether you like it or not, or want to force your opinion on others, its happening, get over it
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It's all fun and games until you get nothing from a faction other than "mine 200 bromelite" or "haul 150T of biowaste 20K LY to Colonia"

I'll be happy without board flipping if they just delete some of these crap missions...
 

Vash627

Vash627
Honestly, no. I won't miss it. I primarily use exploration as the source of my credits. Only when I was grinding Empire rank did I do missions.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
CMDR MRMAURICE said:
You could change your name to, "I want"?

Board flipping is going, thank god. You seem to be confusing ANYBODY else's opinion. Starting a new CMDR is the ideal way to find out if board flipping affects new players. Because by now EVERYONE is a multi-billionaire. No one board flips for certain missions (go to the right system for starters), they do it to MAX out credits. Navy missions? Do something else until you get one, it is that easy, or just know where to look. Whether you like it or not, or want to force your opinion on others, its happening, get over it
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1. "Starting a new CMDR is the ideal way to find out if board flipping affects new players" - complete straw man - until the one guy brought up new commander restart, this entire thread has been existing commanders vs board flipping. Who is disputing anything about new players? Not me.

2. "Because by now EVERYONE is a multi-billionaire." - Other than being patently false, and disprovable by just -one- single commander screenshot of less than 1B credits, if "EVERYONE" is a multi-billionaire...that includes YOU, genius.

"EVERYONE" is a super-set including you. Everyone = you too. So great, you're a multi-billionaire and your claim is "EVERYONE" got that way by board flipping. So you're admitting you = everyone = multi-billionaire = board flipper. Great, thanks hypocrite.

Let's also ignore years of cash metas before nerf that paid huge profits not tied to board flipping. Make more with board flipping, sure. But plenty of ppl made billions with long range smuggling, skimmers when 1 kill = instant credit for all missions, etc. But no, you're on record as saying "EVERYONE" is a multi-billionaire and they only got that way with board flipping. L-O-L!

3. "No one board flips for certain missions (go to the right system for starters)" - again with extremist, instantly proven false assertions. "No one", quite literally not one person flips boards for certain mission types - that's what you are ridiculously claiming? You're also claiming all we need to do is go to right system right?

Tell me o' wise one - how are you going to prove I am not trying to flip board missions for mining missions right now? I gave that as example and currently trying to enjoy that activity now. Obviously you're calling me and anyone else that chimes in they've board flipped for non-credit min/max reasons and just for certain mission type as liars. Prove it.

4. "Whether you like it or not, or want to force your opinion on others" - english must not be your first language, which is fine. No crime to not be a native english speaker, but throwing out bunch of hogwash accusations when you're clearing reading challenged is another thing.

By very definition of board flipping still enabled, it isn't forcing anyone to do anything, whereas YOUR position of taking it away IS forcing your choice on others. As it currently stands, both sides can eat their cake and have it too. Don't like board flipping - your choice, don't do it. Just fine with it? Flip away. No one is forcing anything.

So congrats, on quoting yourself as being in the anti-force camp and yet forcing your own choice preference on others. Total....hypocrite.

In the end, taking away board flipping at least for me will be fine as far as making credits because there will ALWAYS be new metas to make credits. But what will still be broken is the ability to get mission play of the type you want. So in that sense, the dedicated mission server fixes nothing until mission spawning logic is also improved.
 

Cmdr NCarter

Cmdr NCarter
I did this a year or so ago with passangermissions when the Beluga came along. It was not for money, it was for reputation. Cash just came with it.
Finally i got my Cutter and currency to fit all my ships how i wanted. Actually, i am not rich. Sitting on 1.3 bill (4 years of play) after upgrading the ships i use. None are max A rated, but G5 engineered where i can.
I see no need to A-rate everything for what i do ingame.

<-- Not a combat pilot.

Took me a long while doing traderoutes in 2015 to get my Anaconda. I did it the long road back then. So happy when i finally got it! :)

Will i miss boardhoping? Maybe. Dunno how well new style of mining will pay yet, because that 's probably will be how i'll do to earn my income.
 

bigity

bigity
CMDR MRMAURICE said:
You could change your name to, "I want"?

Board flipping is going, thank god. You seem to be confusing ANYBODY else's opinion. Starting a new CMDR is the ideal way to find out if board flipping affects new players. Because by now EVERYONE is a multi-billionaire. No one board flips for certain missions (go to the right system for starters), they do it to MAX out credits. Navy missions? Do something else until you get one, it is that easy, or just know where to look. Whether you like it or not, or want to force your opinion on others, its happening, get over it
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Bull. They do it to get missions they can perform, to maximize influence/rep missions in a period of time, to grind ranks effectively, to target specific materials - that ONLY come from missions, etc. Credits are a small part of a specific set of mission types (passengers mostly).
 

sollisb

Banned
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jasonbirder said:
So an isolated Outpost in an extraction System should be offering you a choice of Passenger Missions and Combat Missions simply because YOU fancy them?

How about the BGS just generates a limited number of Missions appropriate to the System, Factions and State...and if you want to do something specific you identify places that are going to offer those choices and then travel there???
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I think you're having difficulties in connecting causes and effects.
 

sollisb

Banned
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Stealthie said:
Well, that's just crazy-talk.

When I'm flying a combat ship I want combat missions and when I'm flying a passenger ship I want passenger missions.
My time is valuable and FDev should respect it by giving me a big red 'I WIN' button exactly the sort of missions I prefer.

Equally, when I play CoD I expect all the enemies to stand perfectly still in my sights, I insist on having rows of 5 similar things when I play Candy Crush and all the cards should be pre-sorted to ensure I win when I play Solitaire.

Anything less is a waste of my valuable time. [mad]
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Do you generally do passenger missions in your combat ships?

Your time is valuable... Some day you'll run out of it.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Why is 'grind' mentioned so much in the posts on this forum when referring to playing a game?

I've enjoyed reading the debate here, tomorrow we'll all see if the Dev's have kept their promises, not that it would bother me if they didn't.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
jijik2 said:
Hi All,

i will be missing it, finaly finding my missions i want to do.....
loving haulage missions, enough to choose from....
Will it be after no more board flipping???

Will you be missing it???

i understand the imersion thing... but still i like to make credits (even though i have more than enough, its a addiction thing :))
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nope.... i am happy to see it go... but make no mistake, there will be some money making / influence building gold rush to replace it soon i imagine..
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Stealthie said:
This is something I don't really understand.

"Grind" is bad but running hundreds of lucrative passenger missions to make number go up is good? [where is it]
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Of course! Even if it takes longer to 'flip' than it would than to have just gone and done a few jobs...
 
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