will you be missing board flipping????

[Vorxian]

Bound to be, if there is any such scenario to be found it will be, and shared

The trick is to find it yourself, and don't share it. Milk it until you have a 12 figure cr balance. Then when you're bored of credits, grab popcorn, share it, and watch it get fixed in 24hrs

 

[Rat Catcher]

The trick is to find it yourself, and don't share it. Milk it until you have a 12 figure cr balance. Then when you're bored of credits, grab popcorn, share it, and watch it get fixed in 24hrs

Brilliant! [haha]
Repped

 

[Vorxian]

Brilliant! [haha]
Repped

lol... it's called the 'long game'

 

[Rob At Work]

Yes.. I will miss board flipping..as it was the only thing I got good at

 

[Titler]

I absolutely will miss it; on page 2 a Dev quote was given which confirms that the missions will not be increased, they're just locking off board flipping, which means that yet again, Frontier have simply tried to slow down progress, rather than actually improve gameplay.

And here's why I'll miss it; Not for the money, or the Naval rank grind; I completed those years ago, when it was much easier; but I'd gladly see it be easier again for those still behind me. My "ranks" aren't more special by making you miserable so you are less likely to catch up with me. If anything, true "explorers" don't worry how easily others follow them once they've found the path, only that they beat the challenge they set for themselves.

No, it's still annoying to see it go because the rest of the game is still so horribly empty and balanced, and freezing the missions whilst blocking board switching will break the Background Simulation. Right now, if you've got two equal sides trying to push a faction, whilst there apparently an influence cap on each individual, it's much easier to simply kill innocents and authority vessels in a system to work against the controlling faction. You can balance that out in a reasonable time just by doing missions. However that's only with Board Flipping; without that it doesn't generate enough that can be completed fast enough. And if you try bounty hunting, there simply isn't enough spawn in an RES, indeed the more you bounty hunt the more the NPCs slowly get replaced with Authority vessels until you're down to a single Wanted NPC maybe spawning one at a time. Which you could always get around be resetting the instance...?

Now, you won't be able to equally defend your system until it falls into one of the War states, and you can fight in a Conflict Zone.

You could also go and collect exploration, but as I'm not up on the BGS changes, I have no idea if that remains practical on Beta. I do know however they've slowed down the whole act to once more please the tiny numbers of players who mistake grind for achievement, so I'm not hopeful that the initial honk without revealing all the system bodies will return the same Influence.

I'm honestly dreading this patch.

 

[Dean Demon]

I have always laughed when those that claim board flipping is the only thing in game worth doing, i consider that it proves they have OCD which really tells you more about their mentality than anything else but for the rest of us just play the game.

 

[Cobreean]

Its about ROI (return on investment)

If I buy a large ship with tons of seats and nice cabins for obnoxious passengers I need to see a return on that money spent by putting butts in seats.

Same as the airlines today, they overbook flights to maximize the number of butts in seats because they know some people will cancel and that is a negative to their ROI.

Therefore I flip boards till I get seats filled.

More missions or some type of system to search and pick missions might fix this somewhat but if they do nothing but lock the board down then you might as well fly a small 2 seater and take one high paying VIP somewhere over and over.

Yes there will be the next big thing in credits, there always is.

I enjoy the passenger missions, I'm a alpha backer and just came back again the beginning of october, I had 40 mill then, I was an old school trade router but once I realized passenger missions were the in thing (even tho long since nerfed) I started doing them in my Python, I'm up to 1.6 billion net worth now and recently bought an Anaconda for bus driver missions.

I enjoy playing bus driver, its still very good money, I hope they do something to help the system out mission wise

-Cob

 

[jonesskill]

Its about ROI (return on investment)

If I buy a large ship with tons of seats and nice cabins for obnoxious passengers I need to see a return on that money spent by putting butts in seats.

Same as the airlines today, they overbook flights to maximize the number of butts in seats because they know some people will cancel and that is a negative to their ROI.

Therefore I flip boards till I get seats filled.

More missions or some type of system to search and pick missions might fix this somewhat but if they do nothing but lock the board down then you might as well fly a small 2 seater and take one high paying VIP somewhere over and over.

Yes there will be the next big thing in credits, there always is.

I enjoy the passenger missions, I'm a alpha backer and just came back again the beginning of october, I had 40 mill then, I was an old school trade router but once I realized passenger missions were the in thing (even tho long since nerfed) I started doing them in my Python, I'm up to 1.6 billion net worth now and recently bought an Anaconda for bus driver missions.

I enjoy playing bus driver, its still very good money, I hope they do something to help the system out mission wise

-Cob

Why you people try to argue with those guys with reason?

They don't want to listen the reason or even use their brains, in their minds if you have a big and expensive ship you need to come across 10 stations to pick 1 decent mission in each stations. (Duh)

You cannot convice them that this is a dumb mentality, stop trying they will not listen.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

I won't miss it, with few exceptions, which are unrelated to missions, I've rarely ever did it anyways. I'd like to see FDev get rid of engineering; Yes, I'd miss it, but the only reason I got involved is because today version of the playing the game it's pretty much mandated. If it wasn't I never would have got involved. I mean, I avoided it like the plague for the first nine months of playing ED, made billions without any engineering. It wasn't until I got involved in pew pew which I had also avoided like the plague for the first nine months. Thus returning to the days of old would be well accepted by me.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Why you people try to argue with those guys with reason?

They don't want to listen the reason or even use their brains, in their minds if you have a big and expensive ship you need to come across 10 stations to pick 1 decent mission in each stations. (Duh)

You cannot convice them that this is a dumb mentality, stop trying they will not listen.

dude..... difference of opinion, i agree locking flipping and doing nothing is not perfect, BUT having board flipping completely screws the balance of the BGS when playing with those who dont do it. if you say otherwise you are either ignorant or lying......

it is a lesser of 2 evils scenario right now, and there is not a right and wrong answer so there really is no need to be a prat about it just because you disagree.

You are right that without flipping the larger passenger ship when specced as a pure passenger ship is largely redundant.

 

[Ethaidan]

No, it's still annoying to see it go because the rest of the game is still so horribly empty and balanced, and freezing the missions whilst blocking board switching will break the Background Simulation. Right now, if you've got two equal sides trying to push a faction, whilst there apparently an influence cap on each individual, it's much easier to simply kill innocents and authority vessels in a system to work against the controlling faction. You can balance that out in a reasonable time just by doing missions. However that's only with Board Flipping; without that it doesn't generate enough that can be completed fast enough. And if you try bounty hunting, there simply isn't enough spawn in an RES, indeed the more you bounty hunt the more the NPCs slowly get replaced with Authority vessels until you're down to a single Wanted NPC maybe spawning one at a time. Which you could always get around be resetting the instance...?

Now, you won't be able to equally defend your system until it falls into one of the War states, and you can fight in a Conflict Zone.

You could also go and collect exploration, but as I'm not up on the BGS changes, I have no idea if that remains practical on Beta. I do know however they've slowed down the whole act to once more please the tiny numbers of players who mistake grind for achievement, so I'm not hopeful that the initial honk without revealing all the system bodies will return the same Influence.

I'm honestly dreading this patch.

I disagree. If anything, it's a step in the right direction to balancing the BGS - combined with tweaking the influence from destroying ships. Perhaps you and I are going about the BGS differently, but since switching my focus to politics, rather than personal reputation & profit, I cannot complete ++++ and +++++ missions fast enough for the factions I'm trying to elevate (without ever flipping).

As for exploration data, iirc, that changed some time ago - from transaction to value - which means the increased exploration payouts with the new system will actually benefit using exploration for affecting the BGS.

 

[jonesskill]

dude..... difference of opinion, i agree locking flipping and doing nothing is not perfect, BUT having board flipping completely screws the balance of the BGS when playing with those who dont do it. if you say otherwise you are either ignorant or lying......

it is a lesser of 2 evils scenario right now, and there is not a right and wrong answer so there really is no need to be a prat about it just because you disagree.

You are right that without flipping the larger passenger ship when specced as a pure passenger ship is largely redundant.

So, this is the diference, im (And i think all the people that flip now) are all in to a FIX tho the problem that make people flip not the flip itself that is the synthom.

There is nothing proposed to fix the issue.
So, i'ts obvius i (And anyone that have at least half brain) can't be in favor of such changes widouth any fixes.

I'ts something like not allowing the patient to have FEVER because a infection.

OR

Not allowing a person that have shoot in their leg to use first aid /bandage to stop the bleeding because this is not the right threatment.

Sure, this affect BGS but in one case you can fight back (And flip too) and in another scenario both are limited.

This is not even close to a fix;;

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

So, this is the diference, im (And i think all the people that flip now) are all in to a FIX tho the problem that make people flip not the flip itself that is the synthom.

There is nothing proposed to fix the issue.
So, i'ts obvius i (And anyone that have at least half brain) can't be in favor of such changes widouth any fixes.

I'ts something like not allowing the patient to have FEVER because a infection.

OR

Not allowing a person that have shoot in their leg to use first aid /bandage to stop the bleeding because this is not the right threatment.

Sure, this affect BGS but in one case you can fight back (And flip too) and in another scenario both are limited.

This is not even close to a fix;;

this analogy works quite well but in the completely opposite way you are suggesting......

have you ever heard of calpol / paracetamol?

Yes i really hope FD look at improving the mission board with more varied missions which scale for those with big ships.... absolutely!.
I also hope they look at the payments to balance it properly because right now ED is exactly how david braben said he DIDNT want it to be.

however it would appear that before improvements can be made, it would make sense to move the mission board to its own server, and then look at how the chips fall. not everyone mode hops - i dont - so it isnt something you HAVE to do.

so yes.. of course it is better to never get an infection in the 1st place, but once you have it, then you use bandaids (like paracetamol) to bring the fever down even though they do not cure the illness

Elite is out and in the wild, FD cant just turn it off completely and work on a fix, so in the mean time they are presumably doing this as what i hope is the 1st stage of a better mission system.

yet again though you completely undermine any credibility you may have with your tone!.

 

[Riverside]

Its about ROI (return on investment)

You are absolutely right, and the time it takes to get a return on your investment is changing.

I don't habitually board flip, and the largest passenger ship I own is a Dolphin, because I've never seen the benefit in the larger passenger ships as revenue generators without board flipping.

However the list of mission destinations is within Fdevs control, and I think we would all benefit from being able to find several missions all going to the exact same destination without the need to board flip to get what are essentially duplicate missions.

 

[sollisb]

dude..... difference of opinion, i agree locking flipping and doing nothing is not perfect, BUT having board flipping completely screws the balance of the BGS when playing with those who dont do it. if you say otherwise you are either ignorant or lying......

it is a lesser of 2 evils scenario right now, and there is not a right and wrong answer so there really is no need to be a prat about it just because you disagree.


You are right that without flipping the larger passenger ship when specced as a pure passenger ship is largely redundant.

But! The people who don't want to do it are making that choice themselves. And now it seems being allowed to make the choice for the rest of us. I don't care about your BGS one iota. I don't care about how you play your game. I don't try to force you to play my way either. If you say otherwise you are ignorant or lying.. (your words) I'll let you decide which you are.

 

[Oss133]

Nope. Never flipped a board. Never saw the point.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

But! The people who don't want to do it are making that choice themselves. And now it seems being allowed to make the choice for the rest of us. I don't care about your BGS one iota. I don't care about how you play your game. I don't try to force you to play my way either. If you say otherwise you are ignorant or lying.. (your words) I'll let you decide which you are.

unfortunately - or not - you do not get to opt into or out of the BGS so it actually does not matter whether you care about the BGS or not, you DO have an influence on it, and by using an exploit you are essentially forcing other people who DO care about it to play that way as well, even if you do not mean to.

but the point is the OP asked if i would miss board flipping, i answered, with no insults thrown or anything and it could easily have stayed at that... however the post of mine that you quoted however was my response directed to a poster who was calling players like myself stupid. It is possible to be on completely different sides of a view point without either side being stupid or only having half a brain. I even accepted that he had a point, that there are issues with especially the beluga with the current mission system.......... but that i personally still felt the new mission board on a unified server is better over all despite not being perfect.. Agree / disagree it is fine.

FD obviously feel the old system is broken or why would they change it? They indeed confirmed as much as few years ago but said it would take time to fix.

 

[sollisb]

unfortunately - or not - you do not get to opt into or out of the BGS so it actually does not matter whether you care about the BGS or not, you DO have an influence on it, and by using an exploit you are essentially forcing other people who DO care about it to play that way as well, even if you do not mean to.

but the point is the OP asked if i would miss board flipping, i answered, with no insults thrown or anything and it could easily have stayed at that... however the post of mine that you quoted however was my response directed to a poster who was calling players like myself stupid. It is possible to be on completely different sides of a view point without either side being stupid or only having half a brain. I even accepted that he had a point, that there are issues with especially the beluga with the current mission system.......... but that i personally still felt the new mission board on a unified server is better over all despite not being perfect.. Agree / disagree it is fine.

FD obviously feel the old system is broken or why would they change it? They indeed confirmed as much as few years ago but said it would take time to fix.

I take what you say on board, really I do.. But.. FD made the mess, FD left the mess place while apparently other things not core to the game (thargoids etc) were deemed to be far more important than fixing the mission system. You really cannot call it an exploit, when players find the need to use board flipping to attain their goals. I don't effect your game play one bit, I am so far from anything you are involved in to be of zero consequence. Which brings me to another hole in your argument. What about passenger missions. We all know that sothis atmospherics is the goto place and has been for months to the public and for months before that to the ones that knew about it. Surely that is also effect your BGS? but nothing is done about it. Not only that, those passenger missions are giving Elite Explorer in under 60 hrs. Is that not an exploit? Still, nothing done about it.

And to add further pain, while they remove the ability to fill our 20 slots by board flipping, they are not going to fix the actual problem!! The mission system itself!!

And just to add, if it takes me the need to logout and then back in to flip the boards, I will do it. At the level of income runs I do and where I do them, it's worth it. It's just another level of disconnect, but will attain the same result, more profit for me, the same result to your BGS.

o7

 

[Rat Catcher]

But! The people who don't want to do it are making that choice themselves. And now it seems being allowed to make the choice for the rest of us. I don't care about your BGS one iota. I don't care about how you play your game. I don't try to force you to play my way either. If you say otherwise you are ignorant or lying.. (your words) I'll let you decide which you are.

But in the end FDev will force you to play their way, and kiss that particular exploit goodbye, no point being offensive to other posters because you are feeling deprived, is there?

 

[sollisb]

But in the end FDev will force you to play their way, and kiss that particular exploit goodbye, no point being offensive to other posters because you are feeling deprived, is there?

I used the same words as used by the person I replied to. So take it elsewhere.

And no FDev will not force me to do anything. I play what they give me. It's their problem if its buggy or not as intended. It's their job to have it as intended. Not mine.

Not sure where you got the idea I was being deprived.. You think I havent already thought about work-arounds?

Edit: And just to clarify; I play 3 accounts online at the same time in a wing. The missions I do, and where I do them, are more than sufficient than the need to flip boards. That's not to say I won't do it, when elsewhere.