Coaster Friction

[caterpillar]

If it were renaming the coaster, would that mean, essentially, every coaster in your park has the same name?

I guess just renaming one will allow you to change whichever coaster you want.

As someone who has been wanting at the very least low friction, I have to agree w/ Bitter Jeweler. Come on...we're getting a friction slider--exactly what so many people wanted--and that's not enough...now we need a box in the options? I'm all for scrutinizing decisions and expecting open communication, but when you get exactly what you've been harping on and you still complain, you look bad. I'm sorry.

100% agrreing with this.

Is also sad that when is time to criticise people are fast and post a million things, but when something is done well, and perfectly capture the "Frontier is hearing us" we dont give the very deserved thank you as fast, and even then some people are still not happy.
Its completely undertandable why they made it a cheat
1. Ive already seen a lot of opinions of some casual players that dont even want to see that option becuase it would confuse them. It baffles me why would that happen, but its how they think and Frontier has to cater to them also.
2. They still are standing in their idea of the friction they have in the game is similar to the real stuff, as much as a lot of really well done recreations by the community do not get to the station. This means that they see this change in friction as a cheat to make impossible things, and not as an option.

While I would like to have it as an option under the same menu as scenery doesnt collide with rides, i dont mind having it as a cheat (that they even have worked out as permanent in each coaster), and I completely undertand why they decided it to be a cheat instead of an option.

So in summary, there is a time and place for contructive criticism, but I dont think this is the time and place.

+1 [happy]
Friction change is not something that needed to happen for me personally, but I know a bunch of you did so: much appreciate it, thank you Frontier.

I hope Frontier does not listen to some of you this time and it stays a cheat code because in the end that's what it is. (no matter if it can also be used to help make realistic coasters)
I'm pretty sure they thought it through already. [wink]

To those of you using the 'ease of use' reasoning, bear with me for a second and let me just say:
Maybe you should hook yourselves up to an infuse so you don't have to get up to get a drink, or - the horror - reach out to your glass and take it all the way to your mouth and back again. That way you can save yourselves some precious time since it was o so tedious to type in - what? - 10 letters? [rolleyes]
I am not a rude person; so I said this solely to get a point accross in an exaggerated manner.
Come on: a cheat code is easy to use!

Just be happy ya'll [happy]

 

[Stream]

For people saying that you should just be quiet and not suggest things... It's exactly what we need to do. And it's the reason why I've been wanting threads with info like this from the very beginning of this game's development. It's not about criticizing, it's about catching flaws/imperfections before they're implemented. It's what we should do, and I hope that Frontier sees it like that and not as just a bunch of complaining.

Just for fun, everyone who's mad at the people suggesting putting it as an option in the settings as opposed to a "rename a guest cheat" - which option would you personally prefer?

It's all about making the game as good as it possibly can be, nothing else. And people did thank them for implementing the feature, but it's not wrong to give suggestions for how it's implemented.

 

[caterpillar]

Just for fun, everyone who's mad at the people suggesting putting it as an option in the settings as opposed to a "rename a guest cheat" - which option would you personally prefer?

Stream, I really don't think anyone's mad. I sure am not. [happy]
I honestly prefer it to be a cheat code. I think that's where it belongs. (edit adding: and it is also easy to use)
(we don't really know if it will be a guest cheat though, just saying.)

 

[Chems]

If it weren't for us "complainers" we wouldn't even get friction sliders to begin with.. [wink]

 

[Stream]

Stream, I really don't think anyone's mad. I sure am not. [happy]
I honestly prefer it to be a cheat code. I think that's where it belongs. (edit adding: and it is also easy to use)
(we don't really know if it will be a guest cheat though, just saying.)

And if that's your opinion then that's great, it's just tiring to see people scrutinizing people who have other opinions as soon as they voice them. It's a constant theme in here, and it's one of the worst things about this forum in my opinion. Let people voice their opinions, it's what a forum is and should be. No one was disrespectful in their suggestions, not even a little bit.

 

[caterpillar]

And if that's your opinion then that's great, it's just tiring to see people scrutinizing people who have other opinions as soon as they voice them. It's a constant theme in here, and it's one of the worst things about this forum in my opinion. Let people voice their opinions, it's what a forum is and should be. No one was disrespectful in their suggestions, not even a little bit.

But... neither were the people giving their own different opinions. We can all voice our opinions Stream, it's what a forum is and should be.
(to be overly clear: yes, both sides)

 

[Stream]

But... neither were the people giving their own different opinions. We can all voice our opinions Stream, it's what a forum is and should be.
(to be overly clear: yes, both sides)

You can disagree with what someone is saying, but saying that they shouldn't voice their opinion at all is a completely different thing. And it has been done in a very disrespectful way time and time again. And it's always by the same people too.

 

[Joël]

Hi everyone.

Please respect opinions of everyone here, both from people that post feedback, suggestions and complaints, if any. Discussing each other is not constructive, please keep it on topic of the news posted by Zac. Thanks!

 

[Ramm]

I am really hyped about this the only thing that I do not understand is why Frontier chose to do this as a guest-renaming cheatcode. Most people start a new park when creating a coaster and then you have to find a guest first and then rename him or her.

The slider should just be in the coaster options if you ask me. I wonder what the reason is they chose for it to be a cheatcode.

 

[breezerHOG1]

Chems and breezerHog are the most unsatisfied users here.

Lets see what I wrote...

Very cool!!! I know people will use this to make even more unique coasters [up] also very glad to see that you added the ability to save the cheatcode.

Coaster friction makes sense as a cheatcode, because the devs take pride in accurately producing true to life friction, which is what the devs want to promote to the casual player.

and Chems posted a silly happy picture to go along with his comment

That's amazing news! That was also a very interesting read!

Then you have comments like this...

So, you get the thing, then you complain about implementation?
Seriously? [bored]

Seems like people misread on the internet sometimes [uhh]

Our community should be rejoicing and celebrating Frontier's continued interaction and support]

A friction slider is not the most important feature, but yes many people are excited and posting positive comments. Not sure where people keep getting the idea that anybody has complained about this new feature. Not everybody is going to act like this new addition is the most important aspect to the game though. I will rarely touch the friction myself, but I know others will enjoy using it which is why I am happy it has arrived

 

[Narp]

I am just amazed again and again how much Frontier listens to the community!

And it doesn't end with listening - they take our feedback serious, work on the things we find important for the game and aside from finally implementing A LOT of them, they even communicate on those things in such an understanding and sincere way.
That is exactly why the Planet Coaster community is not just a "bunch of customers in" but an actual community that not only includes those who bought and play the game but all of the the passionate people at Frontier, too! And that is also why Planet Coaster is such a great game: dedication. I think it's really that simple.

 

[caterpillar]

I am really hyped about this the only thing that I do not understand is why Frontier chose to do this as a guest-renaming cheatcode. Most people start a new park when creating a coaster and then you have to find a guest first and then rename him or her.

yep, but maybe it won't be as a guest-renaming cheat. We don't exactly know yet. Maybe we need to rename a coaster.

The slider should just be in the coaster options if you ask me. I wonder what the reason is they chose for it to be a cheatcode.

I think because of this:

1. Ive already seen a lot of opinions of some casual players that dont even want to see that option becuase it would confuse them. It baffles me why would that happen, but its how they think and Frontier has to cater to them also.
2. They still are standing in their idea of the friction they have in the game is similar to the real stuff, as much as a lot of really well done recreations by the community do not get to the station. This means that they see this change in friction as a cheat to make impossible things, and not as an option.

 

[Ramm]

yep, but maybe it won't be as a guest-renaming cheat. We don't exactly know yet. Maybe we need to rename a coaster.



I think because of this:

Yeah i'm a bit afraid about the whole: "It might confuse casual players" thing. If this is an argument many suggestions etc the more advanced builders are craving for might get ignored or even rejected straight away. I'm always against keeping people dumb or thinking your playerbase is dumb and therefor not adding extra features. I think this is also the reason we don't get a coordinate box. Because imagine if people must learn what coordinates mean.[rolleyes]

Back in the day before you even had google I had to sit on a desk with a dictionary trying to translate English words to my native language so I could understand what games tried to tell me, and these days kids probably the same age or even older get confused if there is an extra slider in the game. [mouth shut][mouth shut]

I'm not trying to say yeah everything was better back then or something (eventhough some things clearly were ). I'm just saying that it's a positive thing to add stuff people might not understand directly because they can learn what it means and learning is also what makes gaming fun and such a great experience.

 

[caterpillar]

I guess just renaming one will allow you to change whichever coaster you want.

Silly me, it would rather be just renaming the one you want to work on, do your thing and then just renaming it again. Easy peasy
(that's possible right?)

 

[Ramm]

So we will end up with alot of coasters that have the same name? Seems rather confusing [haha]

 

[caterpillar]

So we will end up with alot of coasters that have the same name? Seems rather confusing [haha]

No not like that [happy]
I meant: if you want to play with friction on a particular coaster, you rename that coaster as the cheat code, you do the work on it, and then you can change the name again to what you want it to be.

(of course I don't really know if it will actually be like this)

 

[tyczj]

So we will end up with alot of coasters that have the same name? Seems rather confusing [haha]

It's no different than how the go karts cheat works where you change the name of the ride to unlock the cheat. You can then change the name back to whatever, I don't know why people keep insisting you have to keep that name forever

 

[Ramm]

It's no different than how the go karts cheat works where you change the name of the ride to unlock the cheat. You can then change the name back to whatever, I don't know why people keep insisting you have to keep that name forever

Ah my bad, I actually haven't used cheats yet in planet coaster. [big grin] A slider in the coaster options still seems more logical though

 

[DC High Heat]

Hi, I'd like to comment on the initial post. First I love that the developers are listening to the community and working to improve things that are often discussed and requested.

One important note, the recreation of El Toro is not a good one to check for accuracy. El Toro uses polyurethane wheels on a steel running strip (on top of the prefabricated wooden track, of course). Typical wooden coasters use steel wheels on steel strips ontop of layers of wood track. The coefficient of friction for steel on steel is WAY lower than that of polyurethane on steel, which means El Toro loses speed significantly faster than a typical wooden coaster. Consider the traditional wooden coaster Shivering Timbers, designed as primarily out and back on flat land just like El Toro, but with steel wheels on the steel strips. It's 122 feet tall, and 5383 feet long. El Toro by comparison is 181 feet tall, and 4400 feet long. I know the forces are significantly higher on El Toro, but the biggest reason for that discrepancy is the wheel type.

Another comparison, Hollywood Dream is a B&M coaster in the style of a hyper. There are other factors, but it runs polyurethane on steel rails. The layout is very similar to that of Shivering Timbers, forces are similar too. It's 144' tall and only 3937' long. You'll find the same trends for almost every steel on steel wooden coaster you see, the track length is way longer with respect to the drop height when compared to a wooden or steel coaster with polyurethane wheels on a steel track.

Hope this helps!

 

[cerealfruitcakes]

Ah my bad, I actually haven't used cheats yet in planet coaster. A slider in the coaster options still seems more logical though

Since Alpha, myself and others were asking for cheat codes like this so I'll take some of the blame for their focus on cheat codes. [tongue]