[DW2] Distant Worlds 2 - A Journey of Discovery

[marx]

What I do say is that, honestly and for whatever reasons, a person cannot say: eh, I have done the DW2 without going through all the points of the route. Let alone claim that right.

Your opinion is wrong, they can.
It's even in the title: DW2 is a journey of discovery, not a race of checkpoints to be completed on time and in order. Your opinion, where you've said that this is a "stage race", goes against the spirit of the expedition.

For example, as I wrote before, once I saw that the first parts of the expedition (after the Omega nebula) are going through a route which I've flown a dozen times before (the Colonia highway), I decided to go explore on a different route Eastward instead. I'd say that my decision would fit with the spirit of the expedition (discovery) better than your definition would, while you say I can't claim to have completed DW2 because I didn't visit a few waypoints.
Then there are console users, players who for whatever reason might be late, those who skipped some points because they've been there already and they wished to explore, and so on. Your stated intent of excluding so many players is also going against the spirit of the expedition.

[...]the last part of your message in which you remind me of my freedom to create my own route and thus be able to criticize it is too much and it goes straight into desiring a confrontation in which I am not willing to participate.

I didn't start such a confrontation, but you did, when you started talking about how people who don't align with your personal opinion, what you call the "right" and "correct" way, aren't actually doing the expedition and should not be recognized as having finished it once they do. If being reminded after this that you can create your own expedition to be flown in your way is too much for you, well, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

However, the verdict by the organizers has been given, opinions on this matter by others (including you and me) are irrelevant and further talk is pretty much pointless. I think I've explained myself quite clear by now anyway.

 

[gooddoc]

@gooddoc

I read your opinion and respect it, but I don't share it. It is obvious that the organizers could not force to comply with the times and steps established in the route simply because by incorporating the game console players technically can not. If there were only PC players in the game, these steps could be verified through applications by uploading the logs to EDSM or with Dr. Kaii's application but as is known, console players cannot make use of these applications so it is impossible to verify this.

In any case an expedition of this type is known beforehand what we face. I reiterate that the organizers were responsible for communicating all this. They knew the distance to BP, the distance between stages to be completed, the type of minimum jump, and so on. All this is known BEFORE registering so it is no excuse now to say that one does not have time or capacity to jump ship or what one invents to say that now can not comply with the steps and times of the expedition.

It's as if a cycling team registers for the Tour de France and then says: oh **** ! I won't have the time or strength to complete all the stages, ok I do only the last one and I already meet the requirements.

Sorry but no, it is not the same to do an expedition of this kind in one way or another and I consider that to ask for that comparison is a contempt for the enormous work of the organizers who have dedicated their time of play (just as valuable as that of the others) to offer us to all those stages, those roles and everything that entails the organization of this event.

Finally, and this is my opinion of course, I think that if one is really honest and for whatever reasons (all very honorable, of course) one has not been able to accomplish all the objectives of the expedition, one should not consider that the expedition has ended.

It's not fair either to the organizers or to himself.

You have your opinions cmdr & I have mine. The difference between us though is I'm not telling anyone how to play the game, were as you are suggesting just that!

 

[RolloTreadway]

Why FDev would do that?They should absorb some ideas from the explorers, after all, a good percentage is enjoying exploring although it's not evolved as promised...
They should pay some attention to what people say, and focus also to the existing players, not only attracting new ones.
Anyway....I don't want to * around, DW2 remains one of the coolest events ever...

I would wager that their objection to some kind of base out here is not completely unrelated to the large permit-locked sector they've stuck up here.

I'm not much of a lore/prediction/wild guesswork kind of guy, so I've no idea what their plan for this part of the galaxy is. But I think there must be a plan, if so large an area is locked off.

 

[jj.justme]

Your opinion is wrong, they can.
It's even in the title: DW2 is a journey of discovery, not a race of checkpoints to be completed on time and in order. Your opinion, where you've said that this is a "stage race", goes against the spirit of the expedition.

The introduction to the expedition says:

Introduction

Distant Worlds 2 is an expedition to the far outer rim, culminating at Beagle Point around 16-18 weeks after departure. Its mission statement is to take thousands of CMDRs on a journey of discovery, to see what mysteries the galaxy contains, finally unlocked for all with the new scanners and Codex to guide us.

For those new to mass expedition events, the basic premise is that fleet members will travel the route at their own pace, either alone, with friends, or in wings, and will regroup at designated waypoints along the journey. These waypoint gatherings will begin on a Friday and end on a Sunday. There will be around 12-15 Waypoints to visit along the designated route (this may be subject to change).

Over a 'Waypoint Weekend' there will be all sorts of events and projects to take part in. Participation in events and projects is 100% voluntary. What is new to all players in this mass expedition is the focus on Discovery - the journey to each waypoint will be its own mini expedition, with the goal being for people to see if they can uncover any of the anomalies and mysteries of the galaxy, and submit them for the sake of the whole expedition. We will then organise meetups to view and study the findings along the way!

You say it's not a "stage race." What the organizers of the event say in the introduction suggests something very different.
It may make sense to you that an expedition made with an established itinerary and route points is not obligatory to pass through them, but for me it makes no sense at all.
What's more, when the organizers announce the weekly route points, they are in charge of saying very clearly that some route points are main and other minor points (out of route).
That you or others understand that an expedition with specific waypoints is not necessary at the end to make them, is your problem, not mine.

It's clear when they announce the weekly points:

To see on the way: "X" "Y" "Z"

Minor POI's (off-route); "X" "Y" "Z"

And, of course, it is clear that it is an expedition of exploration and that we are encouraged to explore and follow the route that everyone wants, but always with the mentality that you have to visit the main points, because what good is it if not to put them? Why else organize a CG in the middle of the expedition if each one goes to his ball?

You propose; Ok, next DW3: Sun - Beagle Point. See you there. We don't give route neither points of control nor anything total, it is not obligatory to follow the established route... Is that what you want?

Of course, it would be easier for the organization: it is not necessary to look for interesting sites, the roles of each expeditionary are not necessary, nothing is necessary, only date of departure and arrival. Nice expedition.

By the way, according to what you explain to me, the word "expedition" loses all its meaning.

 

[gooddoc]

I would wager that their objection to some kind of base out here is not completely unrelated to the large permit-locked sector they've stuck up here.

I'm not much of a lore/prediction/wild guesswork kind of guy, so I've no idea what their plan for this part of the galaxy is. But I think there must be a plan, if so large an area is locked off.

Don't wanna go off topic, but it's about time we saw some of these Permit Locked regions opened up......it's been 4 1/2 years since launch!

 

[jj.justme]

You have your opinions cmdr & I have mine. The difference between us though is I'm not telling anyone how to play the game, were as you are suggesting just that!

I don't mean what you say at all. Play as you wish.

 

[gooddoc]

I don't mean what you say at all. Play as you wish.

Well you're not coming across that way cmdr.

When I went on DW 1 I'm certain that we had all the WP's in advance, some went on & did the trip in a few days, most did the trip like we are doing now. Again the criteria was entering the BP system between two announced dates to be included on the Roster & get the decal.

How quick or slow others arrived at BP, I cared not.......the trip was the Expedition experience, not final destination.

 

[marx]

You propose; Ok, next DW3: Sun - Beagle Point. See you there. We don't give route neither points of control nor anything total, it is not obligatory to follow the established route... Is that what you want?

No, I didn't propose that, I didn't say anything as such. You made that up for the sake of hyperbole, and I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.
I'm not the one who wants to prescribe how players should explore, it's you. At least, you most certainly come across that way.

As for what you emphasised (you forgot to say that the edits are your emphasis) and what you left out, such as this being "a journey of discovery", I think you honestly misinterpreted what the organisers meant. (For example, here is a dictionary entry for expedition.) That's okay, it happens. But since you continue to claim that the expedition is meant to be a stage race, one that can be failed by not arriving at checkpoints on time and in the correct order, perhaps you should ask the organizers which of us is correct.
Personally, I believe they have been quite clear on the matter.

 

[Rudi Raumkraut]

This is the usual discussion when there is an unique item/goal obtainable in a mmog.
I'm sure, all of you had such discussions more than once - we had btw the same at DW as well - and I'm also sure, none of you came to a conclusion as unfortunately our human nature seems to need competition and comparableness of each orher.
Sry, guys, but nobody will get more to f**k just cause of a DW2 decal.. contrary to the yellow shirt of the Tour maybe

 

[rpotor]

I think it is a moot point discussing this, since there is just no way to 100% reliably prove if someone was actually at a waypoint or not. That could only be verified by Frontier server-side, because

1) Player Journals are simple text files.
2) Events in the journal follow a certain pattern for each kind of event (like jumping into a system).
3) Player Journals can be individually uploaded to EDSM.
4) ???
5) Profit.

So, I just want to say that anyone who might not have touched every waypoint on the way and "just" reaches the end at Beagle Point should not feel bad about that. After all, Miss Potts, "part of the journey is the end."

 

[jj.justme]

No, I didn't propose that, I didn't say anything as such. You made that up for the sake of hyperbole, and I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.
I'm not the one who wants to prescribe how players should explore, it's you. At least, you most certainly come across that way.

As for what you emphasised (you forgot to say that the edits are your emphasis) and what you left out, such as this being "a journey of discovery", I think you honestly misinterpreted what the organisers meant. (For example, here is a dictionary entry for expedition.) That's okay, it happens. But since you continue to claim that the expedition is meant to be a stage race, one that can be failed by not arriving at checkpoints on time and in the correct order, perhaps you should ask the organizers which of us is correct.
Personally, I believe they have been quite clear on the matter.

I didn't say that you wrote that phrase, I just say that it can be the next DW3 and save the organizers the various waypoints. All in all, as I said, everyone can go their own way. They will save a lot of work.

I underlined what they say. Of course it's a voyage of discovery but that doesn't take away the essence of it.

And no, I don't need to involve the organizers to make them give me or take away my reason. I can live with it perfectly.

You have your opinion about a staged expedition and I have mine. No problem.

Thank you for the link to the meaning of expedition. What is not clear to me is whether you have read it but, in any case, I am indifferent.

 

[jj.justme]

I think it is a moot point discussing this, since there is just no way to 100% reliably prove if someone was actually at a waypoint or not. That could only be verified by Frontier server-side, because

1) Player Journals are simple text files.
2) Events in the journal follow a certain pattern for each kind of event (like jumping into a system).
3) Player Journals can be individually uploaded to EDSM.
4) ???
5) Profit.

So, I just want to say that anyone who might not have touched every waypoint on the way and "just" reaches the end at Beagle Point should not feel bad about that. After all, Miss Potts, "part of the journey is the end."

Exactly and any person for whatever reason, perhaps has not been able to complete the route points and finally and with a lot of effort has arrived at BP. Congratulations to that commander. I really do.

But honestly and in my opinion, that commander has not met all the objectives of the expedition.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Waypoint 12 Route Map and Itinerary is now available on Post #1

The departure from WP11 see's the beginning of DW2 Stage 4 - A journey across the Abyss... and beyond.

There is no specific arrival date for Beagle Point as the fleet is now so spread out, with many latecomers still en-route, several WPs behind. It is expected (as was the case on DW1) that many participants will be arriving at WP12 over a prolonged period of time.

As was the case on DW1, Stage 4 is the longest and loneliest stretch by design, and unlike the earlier part of the journey that encouraged social interaction and meetups along the way, this final part is something we try to encourage commanders to do at their own pace and with no pressure to meet a WP deadline. The expedition officially ends for you, the participant, the moment you reach WP12.

There will be a full route guide home from Beagle Point posted within the next couple of weeks, this is for those who prefer to visit known POIs during their return journey home rather than the free-for-all return trip we used on DW1, but it will not be classed as a continuation of DW2 and there will be no structured schedule or official WP events along the route as the DW2 organisation team will be winding down their roles and responsibility from this weekend onward.

For those who make it all the way to Beagle Point, your successful completion of the journey will eventually be highlighted on the fleet roster, and you will also be eligible for a DW2 decal (this has yet to be officially confirmed by FDev).

In around two weeks time I will post a DW2 'Epilogue' thread, with information on stats & facts, and personal comments and acknowledgements etc, along with the guide home for those that wish to have a more structured journey back to the bubble.



Registering your completion of the DW2 Expedition

To do this you will need to log in at Beagle Point at least once between April 22nd and June 13th. This is something FDev will use to check that you reached WP12.
(Some exceptions can be made for those who cannot make it by June 13th).

You will also need to post your CMDR name and roster number to the arrivals thread. This is the info we will collate and pass on to FDev to check against your WP12 log in.
You can find your roster number here: https://tinyurl.com/y43glxmf
(Use CTRL+F) to search for your entry.

The arrivals thread will be posted this week and will be announced here.

Please note that the issuing of any rewards that FDev have planned may be something that does not happen right away. On DW1 the decal award for that journey only became available 8 weeks after the end of that expedition, so please be patient.

The organizaton team wishes to thank everyone who attempted DW2, with a special congratulations to those who made it this far!

 

[RolloTreadway]

I know this page of the forum will be ongoing for a long time, and our individual arrivals at Beagle will be strung out over some time, but as it's the last announcement of a stage, I'd just like to say to all those involved with organising and planning and preparing and running this expedition:

Thank you. Very much. You've done a superb job, and it's been tremendous fun.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

On behalf of the team, thanks Rollo, that's very much appreciated

 

[CMDR Serra]

I didn't hit every WP (RL mainly)...
BUT
I contributed to each CG (mining and BH) and gained top 25 (I think) for each mining one.
I am still chugging along in my 50LY python and should hit BP some time this week.
If there's no decal, that's fine. I'll still remember the time I spent out here in the Black, misbehaving with fellow kindred spirits, fondly.
If there is, I'll wear it with pride as I feel I've earned it - and anyone else who carries one gets an o7 from me.
At the end of the day, you do you, I'll do me.

 

[ShadowWolf Kell]

On behalf of the team, thanks Rollo, that's very much appreciated

Time to start preparing for DW3. Just kidding! You guys need break.

 

[CMDR Serra]

Now that's out of the way...
I would like to extend my sincere thanks to all the organisers, participants, facilitators, Fdevs and others who've made DW2 the undisputed success it clearly is.
The organisers in particular require a lot of thanks as I know that they have put of time, effort and resources into making it fun, enjoyable and educational for everyone.
Many, many thanks.

 

[Taimaru]

Thank you to all of the people who organised DW2. I have thoroughly enjoyed (and still enjoying) the journey and have seen some amazing sights along the way.
Also, thank you to all of the participants. Even though I haven't really socialised, seeing people comments, videos and streams have kept me company during the long journey.
Thank you all!

 

[acidburn2k20]

Ok i would like to know if I am the worst srv driver on dw2, as I have wrecked 22 srv 's during the expedition on ps4.