The New Interstellar Initiative! - For What?

Happy Shrapnel

Happy Shrapnel
So, just for anyone that wants to know what all this is about.... well, you'll be grinding for hybrid weapons that can be used effectively against human craft and can be altered by using 'special' ammo to fight against Thargoids. Of course added to all that will be more game breaking bugs that screw up every release Fdev touch. Expect to see the same old bugs repeated, reduced drop rate of something you need, unintentional nerfs and glitches to your ship, broken missions that cant be completed and Megaships that cant jump (Gnosis anyone?).

All thought up by people who dont play ED and use 'dev magic' to 'test' a rats nest of poor coding discipline.
 

zimms

zimms
shreddog said:
Meanwhile at Frontier Dev.
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CMDR Carbo

CMDR Carbo
Delmonti said:
So, just for anyone that wants to know what all this is about.... well, you'll be grinding for hybrid weapons that can be used effectively against human craft and can be altered by using 'special' ammo to fight against Thargoids. Of course added to all that will be more game breaking bugs that screw up every release Fdev touch. Expect to see the same old bugs repeated, reduced drop rate of something you need, unintentional nerfs and glitches to your ship, broken missions that cant be completed and Megaships that cant jump (Gnosis anyone?).

All thought up by people who dont play ED and use 'dev magic' to 'test' a rats nest of poor coding discipline.
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Wait.... Do we really need more weapons?
 

Walter2

Walter2
Exeider said:
Did Columbus know that he was going to find the new world? Did Magellan think he was going to bite it 3/4ths the way around? Do you think Captain Kirk knows what the Enterprise is going to encounter THIS week?
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Actually, Columbus was pretty sure of what he thought he was going to find and took a lot of convincing that what he found was not what he thought he was looking for.

Kirk always had a good idea of what to expect. He was always going to roll in the hay with a scantily dressed girl in 60s gear, while either:
  • a race of super brainboxes toyed with the humans for fun, or
  • a civilisation based on early television dramas attempted to re-enact human history, or
  • the Enterprise crew went back in time.

Not so sure about Magellan, but he knew the risks.
 

Azreh Helas

Azreh Helas
You'd probably want to engage or not engage due to the same reason you engaged in CG or didn't engage in CG. Anyway it was implemented half baked and through tools outside the game which is unbelievably bad. I'm game votes and in game galnet articles about the choices please. And of they insist on videos...for Winter's sale no more livestreams.

Anyway this thing is supposed to be 1 month long and I anticipate not everything will be about building a starship. Guardian stuff doesn't interest me but they did mention that they would do stuff relating to The superpowers as a whole and individual systems so I'm looking forward to that. I'd also like to see how this plays out.

Edit: just saw this https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/bridging-the-gap-phase-one-commencement.510359/post-7765481
 

Lordxenu

Lordxenu
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Ian Doncaster said:
1) If you're a beginner, finding the Guardian sites in the first place can be tricky. A ship which takes you right there is pretty useful - especially if you haven't unlocked the engineers yet, haven't got the Guardian FSD booster (by definition), and are therefore still wandering around with a 15-20 range. The few hundred LY to Guardian space look pretty big at that point - I may live out in Colonia now, but back when I was starting out my trip to the Pleiades (back before it was populated) took me a week. It's a long way, especially if it's your first exploration trip and every planet might be interesting.

2) The range is not as important as the speed. If it only jumps weekly, like the Gnosis, it's not that interesting. If it jumps more frequently, then that's a very interesting capability for a dockable ship to have, and might provide a way (like the Gnosis) for Frontier to check for unexpected side-effects.


If the general answer to that is "no" then Frontier is going to have extreme difficulty telling any stories of interest whatsoever through the Interstellar Initiatives mechanism.

Where has this aversion on the forums to not being told exactly what's going to happen in advance come from? People hung around the Formidine Rift for two years between the release of Reclamation and the plot of Premonition getting going, on the off-chance that there was something interesting there and they might find it. They didn't demand to know what was there in advance so that they knew if it was worth looking for. Explorers head out into the black in the fairly certain knowledge that the next system will be a bunch of iceballs and a gas giant or two, or maybe a few HMCs ... but it might not be, and that's sufficient.

If you view Interstellar Initiatives as a transactional way of doing X to get Y, they're going to disappoint (CGs were pretty much always a terrible way to make money, too). If you view them as a way of getting galactic events out of Galnet and into some form which players can actually do something with, a bit of a social event, they might be quite good fun. They might even have the possibility of failure, in which case there's certainly no in-game min-maxable reward at all for taking part. But the Cerebrus Plague involved quite a few failed CGs before a success, and is one of the few CG series still occasionally mentioned, despite having been years ago.

(Which is not to say that this has been a particularly compelling "Day 1" for this initiative, or that it wouldn't have been better to have the votes in-game somehow, or various other adjustments, sure. But the really early CGs were very much "live tests" as well and it took them a while to really get the hang of the format then too)
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I dont think you can compare the formadine rift to this.

The formadine rift had the promise of a mystery. Correct no one knew what but there goal was to uncover something.

At this point the goal is to have a new megaship jump at regular intervals. Some will dig it some will think it's pointless but theres no promise of something more grand no hints a a wider goal I think that's whats missing. Even if this was "we want to develop guardian stuff" or "we think we have found something new to uncover" it doesn't have to tell the whol e story but every story needs a hook.
 

Nutter

Nutter
Lordxenu said:
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I dont think you can compare the formadine rift to this.

The formadine rift had the promise of a mystery. Correct no one knew what but there goal was to uncover something.

At this point the goal is to have a new megaship jump at regular intervals. Some will dig it some will think it's pointless but theres no promise of something more grand no hints a a wider goal I think that's whats missing. Even if this was "we want to develop guardian stuff" or "we think we have found something new to uncover" it doesn't have to tell the whol e story but every story needs a hook.
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I agree, there is no hook, no story, no rumours (Much like the codex) :p

A well scripted backstory would have given this so much more ooompf - Cut scene of new Guardian structure with unknown resource, Ram Tah believes this technology could change the way we think about...... and will advance Human knowledge..... making ....... possible

I'd be up for that!
 

Lordxenu

Lordxenu
Nutter said:
I agree, there is no hook, no story, no rumours (Much like the codex) :p

A well scripted backstory would have given this so much more ooompf - Cut scene of new Guardian structure with unknown resource, Ram Tah believes this technology could change the way we think about...... and will advance Human knowledge..... making ....... possible

I'd be up for that!
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Id be all over that!

The best story telling times in ed were when we didnt know what barnacles were, a mysterious old woman told us to take a line from reidquat to reorte and keep going and everything was a mystery to unravel.

This is just a more complex cg. Now, if they drop the guardian ai in the middle of it that will be a huge event to remember and i'll instantly forget about forumvotegate if they just ask us to build stuff for reasons it will totally be gnosisgate all over again
 

Midian Cabal

Midian Cabal
Nutter said:
I agree, there is no hook, no story, no rumours (Much like the codex) :p

A well scripted backstory would have given this so much more ooompf - Cut scene of new Guardian structure with unknown resource, Ram Tah believes this technology could change the way we think about...... and will advance Human knowledge..... making ....... possible

I'd be up for that!
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No backstory? Read the books. Don't like to read? Then watch ObsidianAnt's about history/lore. Zm4rc0 also has some good, intriguing videos.
 

Midian Cabal

Midian Cabal
Brrokk said:
Or even do the first Ram Tah mission and read the texts from the decoded data.
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I find it a bit hard to believe that I'm the only one that sees the big picture: this interstellar initiative isn't created out of the blue in total vacuum just for new players to make their grind easier.

The war against Thargoids is yet to come, and we'll all grind Guardian tech. I guess that Klaxians will (literary) hit the streets when we get space legs.
And then we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills.

And we shall never surrender.
 

Lordxenu

Lordxenu
Brrokk said:
Or even do the first Ram Tah mission and read the texts from the decoded data.
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Theres plenty of backstory to the world of elite but i think the point here is that fdev have done nothing (so far) to link this initiative to that backstory. There would be a lot more hype for it if there was some tiny hint we were going to dig deeper into the lore.

Im hoping im proven wrong because this could be an amazing story driven event but theres too much danger it will become another "personal narrative"
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Midian Cabal said:
The war against Thargoids is yet to come, and we'll all grind Guardian tech. I guess that Klaxians will (literary) hit the streets when we get space legs.
And then we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills.

And we shall never surrender.
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Did you miss off an /s tag? 'The war against Thargoids' is here right now. But due to its opt in nature no-one cares about it, and no-one sees it unless they filter it on a map.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Rubbernuke said:
Did you miss off an /s tag? 'The war against Thargoids' is here right now. But due to its opt in nature no-one cares about it, and no-one sees it unless they filter it on a map.
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I guess that's the point. Since Thargoids are completely optional the real war hasn't even started yet. We are still in the skirmishing phase. Or it's just wishful thinking...
 
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