PvP Gankers in Fleetcomm at Beagle Point

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It was around that area yeah. I just got the impression of an echo chamber/circle jerk effect.
I think, if I recall correctly, that Phisto lives out in Colonia. (1)
Do you think he does quite a bit of seal clubbing out there?


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1: Correct me if I'm wrong, it is Colonia, isn't it?
 
1st you say I wasn't clear on the "don't care" issue, then it's the CBA'd on the "wolf in sheeps clothing" issue. I admit I was obscure on the 2nd but not on the 1st.

And yet you felt the need to double-down on what you meant in that first instance:

what you failed to understand is that I do not care if my emotive language upsets the gankers, that was what I meant.

What is clear is that you've come into this thread, flailing and blowing hot air and insults about people who play the game differently to you, in a mode that you never play in.

I'm not "trying" to make a point...just a post to see if anyone else got the vibe I was. <shrugs>

And to cap it off, without a point to make.

And yet earlier in the thread, you were wringing your hands over people's time being wasted.

Well, really.
 
And yet you felt the need to double-down on what you meant in that first instance:



What is clear is that you've come into this thread, flailing and blowing hot air and insults about people who play the game differently to you, in a mode that you never play in.



And to cap it off, without a point to make.

And yet earlier in the thread, you were wringing your hands over people's time being wasted.

Well, really.


Just what on earth are you on about now? You're taking TWO very different posts and merging them into one just to do what?

Indeed Seal clubbing is the lowest common denominator, yet I see a lot of people defend it and attack someone for railing against it....

That ONLY referred to the "wolf in sheep's clothing" comment.

Yes time wasted...when people spend hours and hours earning credits only for some "jimmy" to come along and waste all that effort. As opposed to a few seconds reading a strangers ramblings on the games forums which equates to a few minutes tops? yeah that's comparable....
 
I think, if I recall correctly, that Phisto lives out in Colonia. (1)
Do you think he does quite a bit of seal clubbing out there?


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1: Correct me if I'm wrong, it is Colonia, isn't it?

So he's never attacked and destroyed an inferior non combat build for the lulzs? Seal clubbing doesn't just refer to noob killing. If he's never done that then I've got the wrong end of the stick about him. If he has then my opinion stands.
 
Indeed Seal clubbing is the lowest common denominator, yet I see a lot of people defend it and attack someone for railing against it....

I don't get that impression at all.
I don't think most (I'd guess 80-90%) of the PvP players on this forum believe seal clubbing is a good form of PvP.

My guess (I don't speak for the 'them' here) is that they don't want to see the possibility of seal clubbing removed because quite often the cure is worse than the disease. They want a realistic universe where anything can happen - they want the possibility of seal clubbing, even though most of them don't participate. Given what I've seen in these games, even as a solo/group player, I'm inclined to agree with their concerns. Usually a half-[redacted] fix is much worse, and given that solo/group play exists it is arguable that there is a problem.

Most of the people here are located well outside the bubble.
They don't even have access to seals - so perhaps the motivations above are driving them?
 
I don't get that impression at all.
I don't think most (I'd guess 80-90%) of the PvP players on this forum believe seal clubbing is a good form of PvP.

My guess (I don't speak for the 'them' here) is that they don't want to see the possibility of seal clubbing removed because quite often the cure is worse than the disease. They want a realistic universe where anything can happen - they want the possibility of seal clubbing, even though most of them don't participate. Given what I've seen in these games, even as a solo/group player, I'm inclined to agree with their concerns. Usually a half-[redacted] fix is much worse, and given that solo/group play exists it is arguable that there is a problem.

Most of the people here are located well outside the bubble.
They don't even have access to seals - so perhaps the motivations above are driving them?

Well from the posts I read I'd say it's lower than your estimate, by quite a margin IMO. and seeing as the entire premise of the OP was someone breaking PG rules and seal clubbing, I express my distaste of that game style, someone took issue with my wording...I replied that because of previous "discussion" with PvPers I got the overall impression they don't care so I said that I don't care about them....then it all snowballed.

Regarding a fix, I agree a half buttocked attempt would be bad....but I've made countless posts on the subject to improve the experience regarding ne'er do wells. It would take a lot of effort on FDs end though. I believe FD were incredibly naive regarding this issue. As a starting point anyone who has killed more than 10 Pfed members is booted out of the Pfed, becuase what "club/organisation" would allow members to abuse other members?
 
Oh how I wish forums rules allowed me to express what I truly think. Verbal equivalent of the atomic bomb. :) But Alas, I have to apply a level of control and decorum. But here's a clue: I have more respect for what I trod in the other day than a seal clubber. But I think that's pretty clear and both sides don't care a jot so no point carrying on is there?



It was around that area yeah. I just got the impression of an echo chamber/circle jerk effect.

Hit me up on Discord sometime and speak your mind. Phisto Sobanii#1883 is my tag.
 
I don't get that impression at all.
I don't think most (I'd guess 80-90%) of the PvP players on this forum believe seal clubbing is a good form of PvP.

My guess (I don't speak for the 'them' here) is that they don't want to see the possibility of seal clubbing removed because quite often the cure is worse than the disease. They want a realistic universe where anything can happen - they want the possibility of seal clubbing, even though most of them don't participate. Given what I've seen in these games, even as a solo/group player, I'm inclined to agree with their concerns. Usually a half-[redacted] fix is much worse, and given that solo/group play exists it is arguable that there is a problem.

Most of the people here are located well outside the bubble.
They don't even have access to seals - so perhaps the motivations above are driving them?

You're absolutely right, Wargfoot.

Besides, with the starter zones, we've got a fantastically easy way to determine if you're a new player (baby seal, in the vernacular). Are you not in a starter zone and in Open? Congratulations, you're fair game!

Quick side note: I've heard you can kill up to five Commanders in the starter zones before getting your permit revoked. Guess what? The griefer playstyle has a de facto promotion along with Trade, Exploration and Combat! Isn't that interesting?
 
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Quick side note: I've heard you can kill up to five Commanders in the starter zones before getting your permit revoked. Guess what? The griefer playstyle has a de facto promotion along with Trade, Exploration and Combat! Isn't that interesting?


Heh, that has some nice twist attached. Are you working in the marketing?
It's something similar to the joke about some manufacturer producing smart-phones that were killing the owners in 2-3 years. Those phones were marketed as having "life time warranty" :)
 
@Wargfoot - would you kindly stop posting, anything, anywhere!

I'm running out of "+1"'s and laughing far too much for one of such an advanced age, it's harassment, I tell you, harassment!!!!

On-topic'ish... If I'm in open, I might get shot at from another player (and likely admire the rebuy screen), if I'm in solo I might get shot at by a NPC (and may not visit said rebuy screen - unless it's those Thargoid 'big boys' who already owe me 38 million in rebuys!) but if I'm in a PvE PG I wouldn't be expecting to be shot at by both... (in my own PG anything goes as I have used it to mentor a fresh starter :) )
 
Heh, that has some nice twist attached. Are you working in the marketing?
It's something similar to the joke about some manufacturer producing smart-phones that were killing the owners in 2-3 years. Those phones were marketed as having "life time warranty" :)

Haha! I've just read a lot of Noam Chomsky. I mean... there's what things appear to be and what is actually going on.

But think about it: it is a criminal promotion. Forget just destroying Commanders for whatever reason. If you were pirating and trying not to destroy ships unless you had to you've learned there are consequences for your actions. Now, what will you do about that in the future?
 
Well from the posts I read I'd say it's lower than your estimate, by quite a margin IMO. and seeing as the entire premise of the OP was someone breaking PG rules and seal clubbing, I express my distaste of that game style, someone took issue with my wording...I replied that because of previous "discussion" with PvPers I got the overall impression they don't care so I said that I don't care about them....then it all snowballed.

Regarding a fix, I agree a half buttocked attempt would be bad....but I've made countless posts on the subject to improve the experience regarding ne'er do wells. It would take a lot of effort on FDs end though. I believe FD were incredibly naive regarding this issue. As a starting point anyone who has killed more than 10 Pfed members is booted out of the Pfed, becuase what "club/organisation" would allow members to abuse other members?
Even the harshest PvP players here have expressed a distaste for joining a private group in order to intentionally break the rules.
Yes, there are some here that do that (or approve) but most do not find that acceptable.

I think the disagreement with you is largely their frustration with people constantly trying to change the nature of the game.
I think they're afraid that some new rule will end up breaking it - and to them it isn't worth the risk given the availability of solo/group play.

As hard as it may be to comprehend, your requests are viewed as a threat.
 
As a starting point anyone who has killed more than 10 Pfed members is booted out of the Pfed, becuase what "club/organisation" would allow members to abuse other members?
That is why they are issued escape pods :)
Only their credit balance is abused. Pride maybe.
This would also require measures to be taken to prevent abuse.

In any case, murder is de facto legal for members of the Pilots Federation.
 
So he's never attacked and destroyed an inferior non combat build for the lulzs? Seal clubbing doesn't just refer to noob killing. If he's never done that then I've got the wrong end of the stick about him. If he has then my opinion stands.

I affirm your right to have an opinion about this matter and it is okay that it isn't the same as mine.

I'd also agree that if you're running around in Eravate whacking Sidewinders that you're very likely the sort of person whose company I wouldn't keep. (1) Seal clubbing in the sense of going after new players in your highly engineered ship is a very weak play-style. That aside, I have to part ways with you when you talk about attacking an inferior build because I don't think that is fair.

I say that is unfair because you're putting a great deal of responsibility upon the PK.

To meet your criteria:
He has to know that the other ship is an inferior build (can they do that?)
He'd have to know what constitutes an inferior build.
He'd have to know that the other player isn't highly skilled and enjoys challenging himself by using an inferior build.
He'd have to know the other player isn't setting a trap (a wing located a short jump away).
For this to work, the entire PK community would have to abide by unwritten rules - I doubt they'd agree on any of the points above.

What happens if Phisto, who murdered me using his Corvette, happens to be flying past me in an unengineered Sidewinder and is clean?
Can I kill him then or does his inferior build protect him?


I don't think it is unreasonable for players to do this math:
1: The other guy picked a PvP game. (dystopian world, no less)
2: The other guy selected a PvP mode.
3: The other guy is in a PvP hotspot.
4: The other guy is 5,000ly from a starter system (and therefore, presumably knows what he's doing).
5: Therefore, the other guy is open to the idea of being attacked.

^------ I don't think that is a crazy set of assumptions.

I think your idea of "not targeting weaker players" is honorable, I just don't see how a person can know the other player is weaker.
I think we have to stick with the obvious cues I present in my 5pt. list.
(Understand that whatever rules we develop for PvP that the lowest common denominator has to be able to understand and abide by them.)

I know when I go out into open I go with the mindset that I could be attacked at any time - by people much stronger than myself.
I like to have that available.










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1: There is a big difference between trying it for a couple of nights and getting bored and the very special class of person that can do that for months on end.
 
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