L Ron Hubbard.
General / Off-Topic So... Do we have free will? :)
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L Ron Hubbard.
Whenever people quote scripture I remember the first man to print the bible in English was burned at the stake.
i read a few pages back and saw nothing of the sort. i saw sixxes posting gospell, repeatedly, a bit like an automata, and people replying very rationally.
however i was indeed expecting the thread to descend into a religious or moral polarization, it's indeed a chore concept in any worldview. that's why i switched off the thread after a few very interesting pages in the first place, so for sure no disrespect from my part! we can get back to topic any time, just let the moral drivel out!
I think we all sort of ‘know’ that we have free will. Our laws and penal systems are base on that idea.
We are probably just to dumb to prove it.
Science has a long way to go to give us the complete picture. If we get there, we will probably still have a hard time making sese of it.
Our low scientific level does not make alternative ideas more plausible though. It just means we need to think better and work harder.
Remember: pics or it didn’t happen.
We are probably just to dumb to prove it.
Science has a long way to go to give us the complete picture. If we get there, we will probably still have a hard time making sese of it.
Our low scientific level does not make alternative ideas more plausible though. It just means we need to think better and work harder.
Remember: pics or it didn’t happen.
OK.. firstly...
the scripture about faith of the Centurion...and the acknowledgements therein
a man who asks for help receives help from a good man who is willing and able to help within his capacity to do so... Matthew 7:7 & common knowledge proves this to be true( most people who can help will help when it is health related
The Centurion acknowledges Jesus as a "Lord" and calls him so... why would a centurion of the Roman Army acknowledge Jesus as a Lord unless he truely believe it to be so!!
multiple scriptures attest to its validity... and believers in Christ recognise it to be truth. Romans 10:9 is but one scripture
The centurion Acknowledges the power and Authority of Jesus through his understanding on earth likewise recognises the same Authority in heaven.
The centurion acknowledges the spoken word is what is required to make manifest the changes to make his servant well (Matthew 28:18 is not only a proclamation but a inheritance of his fathers Power and Authority)
(i would note.. it was the power of Gods word that brought light into the world...... Genesis 1:3)
The most seemingly insignificant part is the most important... and that is the centurions unworthiness with respect to his relationship with Jesus.. we see a humbling of the centurion before his Lord whom he had acknowledged (proverbs 3:34 James 4:6 peter 5:5)
So, to sum up the last few pages.
Logically: Religion, with its methods of controlling its followers and often attempting to even manipulate the way people think: must become a barrier, to free will.
That's actually a very good point. Well said!
If the truth makes one look silly.... should we all then remain silent and not share
for your truth might make me look silly ..
and likewise mine...
Let the truth be heard and the fools revealed!!
Remember: You said it.
Who's Will and why have they been detained?
We don't know anything.
We do have to make a few assumptions though. Would be pretty hard to go about life otherwise.
Where do you live again?
Most laws and penal systems I'm familiar with are based on a sadistic need for vengeance juxtaposed against a phobia of getting one's hands dirty, resulting in faceless institutions that ultimately exist to oppress undesirables and enforce social order through threat of ruin, prison, or death.
Will definitely doesn't get set free here. He does 25 years for his third strike on a petty drug charge, becomes a hardened criminal, and is then booted back into society as a pariah with neither the skills nor opportunity to make an honest living, goes nuts and kills five people before committing suicide by cop.
vs ArryI worked that out from your 1st post here.
I used to have you in my ignore list; but then, on reflection. I realised, just how entertaining you really are.
So far I haven't really seen a solid rational for the non existence of free will except for the over eager wishful thinking of a handful of atheists on what has become a bit of a cesspool of a thread.
Props to the op for trying to keep it rational. Now I'm going to excercise my own free will to say buh bye to all you self proclaimed npc like programs in the matrix.
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Props to the op for trying to keep it rational. Now I'm going to excercise my own free will to say buh bye to all you self proclaimed npc like programs in the matrix.
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Where I live prisson means free education and good living standard, but that is not the point.
The point is that when we sentence someone, we assume they are responsible for their crimes.
If they didn’t have free will, they could not be blamed for the crime.
This does of course not prove that we have free will. It just shows that society thinks so.
On a more philosophical note one could question if it is even possible for the idea of free will to excist, without free will itself.
Just by reading the example i can tell you're referring to the US.
In Germany the maximum Prison sentence is 15 years (for murder) and only in extreme cases they get an additional (mit anschließender Sicherheitsverwahrung)
which basically means they won't have a chance to get out on parole during the 15 years and depending on the verdict for an unspecified time period after that.
But that only applies to the most extreme cases over here.
Just an informative post, not part of the debate.
im sure ill put my foot in my mouth eventually.... and ill have to concede i am no smarter than a chicken!!
jokes