Cool. I see there is one column just with the numbers. Please add 3 more columns: one without the capital letters and numbers (leave empty spaces where they were), one without lower case letters (just capital letters and numbers, on their respective places) and one just with the capital letters on their position. My guess is that these are the "layers" of the palimpsest.
Two years today. Remember Salome - Text Cyphers
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Cool. I see there is one column just with the numbers. Please add 3 more columns: one without the capital letters and numbers (leave empty spaces where they were), one without lower case letters (just capital letters and numbers, on their respective places) and one just with the capital letters on their position. My guess is that these are the "layers" of the palimpsest.
You watched the wrong stream then...
14 minutes in he says there is nothing about the image...
He repeats it over and over again later in the same stream too.
Also quote: "the information is in the letters".
This is the one I watched https://m.twitch.tv/videos/418103861; at 14 mins in he’s talking about his broken laptop woes.
But I’m willing to be convinced! I’ll check out your link, if I don’t fall asleep- I had insomnia last night and have been awake since 03:00 BST.
Edit: ok, I’m convinced! At 14:00 in this vid he only refutes that the puzzle is anything to do with the dots in Salomé’s eyes, but then at 15:00 he explicitly says the puzzle is in the text on the RHS of the image. Too tired for any more...
Going for a post-lunch doze!!
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The Quest To Find Raxxla
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The video in this goes into how they generated the system. Is it possibley a similar system was used to generate the sequence or the individual names. Maybe that explains the oddity of number of characters. If the smaller ones are the early single digits and the later ones the higher digits. Maybe this gives order to the values. Maybe they are mixed up or something and you have to order and unscramble them. Or the words are individually made by this or a similar fibonacci sequence. Didn't drew mention he used it to make it harder to decode?
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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The video in this goes into how they generated the system. Is it possibley a similar system was used to generate the sequence or the individual names. Maybe that explains the oddity of number of characters. If the smaller ones are the early single digits and the later ones the higher digits. Maybe this gives order to the values. Maybe they are mixed up or something and you have to order and unscramble them. Or the words are individually made by this or a similar fibonacci sequence. Didn't drew mention he used it to make it harder to decode?
He mentioned that the solution is related to the use of fibonacci sequence in one of his earlier puzzles, but also implied that people were making the decoding too complicated..
Before my lunchtime snooze- has anybody just applied fibonacci to change the ROT for each successive letter?
I was trying that but couldn't get it to work. I doubt I was thorough though.
Here's an interesting bit. (may have been brought up before.)
Aside me miscounting, there are 57 capital letters. There are also 21 numbers... Not sure if that matters yet. But there are only 48 lines with 52 distinct separate chunked characters strings.... So, 52 max words with 57 capital letters... At least one Capital per word... But why the extra?!
If there are 328 characters there is an average of 6.83333 characters per line(48), 6.307692308 Per word(52), 5.754385965 per capital letter(57), and 15.61904762 per number(21)....
Why would there be more capital letters than potential words?!
Maybe it's just a scramble. Do any words use two capital letters?! Would system names do this? Or one system name from the capital letters?
Here's an interesting bit. (may have been brought up before.)
Aside me miscounting, there are 57 capital letters. There are also 21 numbers... Not sure if that matters yet. But there are only 48 lines with 52 distinct separate chunked characters strings.... So, 52 max words with 57 capital letters... At least one Capital per word... But why the extra?!
If there are 328 characters there is an average of 6.83333 characters per line(48), 6.307692308 Per word(52), 5.754385965 per capital letter(57), and 15.61904762 per number(21)....
Why would there be more capital letters than potential words?!
Maybe it's just a scramble. Do any words use two capital letters?! Would system names do this? Or one system name from the capital letters?
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In my opiniom its not that complicated.. I think we need to use the answers from the Tionisla riddle (hint: Remember) and compare them against the RHS text as a palimpsest.
Can anyone tell me where "The restaurant itself was suspended twenty kilometers above the surface" came from?
If they are the sequence of clues wrt Salomé storyline then they will be names, so each should start with a capital letter (Drew is quite keen on correct grammar) and I suspect a couple may be system names so something like Xxxx XX-X x??(-??) where x is an alphameric and ? is a numerical digit
Chapter four:
“The Epsilon Eridani Crystal Sky restaurant”....
“The restaurant itself was suspended twenty kilometres above the surface. Low enough that the patchwork of the planet below could be appreciated with a pleasant tinge of blue atmosphere during the day, but high enough that the vista at night afforded a view of space far superior to those available on the orbital space stations.”
Excerpt From
Elite Dangerous: Premonition
Drew Wagar
This material may be protected by copyright.
It's from Premonition and allegedly not relevant here. The riddle can be solved without any of Drew's books. The restaurant in question is the Epsilon Eridani Crystal Sky restaurant where 5 members of The Club had a meeting.
O7,
I did have that set up, one layer with just the lowercase + spaces, one layer with the uppercase letters, and one layer with the numbers. The lowercase layer looked A LOT like a ciphered paragraph, lots of 4-6 letter words separated by spaces, like you'd see in normal phrases in a body of text. I did not have a lot of time to play with it, will do tonight. My time is very restricted, unfortunately.
You may be right about the palimpsest being those layers. It's also quite possible that those are layers 1, 2, 3, with layer 0 being the text in these logs. The last line in those logs does, after all, match our left side message.
Maybe the "original scroll of the palimpsest" was a print-out of those logs, as a page of text, and then the image and the candle were copy/pasted on top of it, blocking most of the logs except for the right side margin. Maybe that's what the message decodes to, fragments of words from the right side of those logs.
Also, as a tangent, one of the clues talks about "an axis of dying light that spins in the black", and people have identified that as a neutron star or white dwarf. Notice the image at the bottom of that Canonn page, for the link to the Amadioha Scientific Installation? Maybe the clues just visually describe that Canonn webpage.
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Unless this is his personal fun stuff or to sell his books and it is relevant! 8)It's from Premonition and allegedly not relevant here. The riddle can be solved without any of Drew's books. The restaurant in question is the Epsilon Eridani Crystal Sky restaurant where 5 members of The Club had a meeting.
O7,
All systems are <Sector Name><XX-X#-#> or <Sector Name><XX-X#>.(NVM, I think that is what you meant there...) The second one is for rare sector systems. They share a XX-X X with numbers in a sequence starting at 0 potentially. There can be more than one set of these per sector(usually at least one). They are usually bright blue stars with very odd systems. Some of the bug supernova systems are a part of these sets and you can explore them all in order and get dectent money as they have a high amount of metal rich or high metal bodies. Or very weird numbers of suns or other things that make them interesting.
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Yes, you asked about multiple capital letters. I meant that the Sector name will start with a capital, and the XX-X will all be capitalised.
"A player discovered the end-event content (the Teorge logs) before the event started. Limitations on how to insert them into the universe meant they had to be there in advance. That was an interesting one to explain in the book."
I was there. A call went out from another Cmdr, Doc ***, looking for help to hunt down the Teorge logs, I was in SD so jumped across and helped him out. I stayed there in my FdL thinking it was a destination for Salome and sure enough one of the rebels did jump in with an escort and made it home safely. I've always thought the logs were the end game puzzle and Salome's speech the final epitaph.
I was there. A call went out from another Cmdr, Doc ***, looking for help to hunt down the Teorge logs, I was in SD so jumped across and helped him out. I stayed there in my FdL thinking it was a destination for Salome and sure enough one of the rebels did jump in with an escort and made it home safely. I've always thought the logs were the end game puzzle and Salome's speech the final epitaph.
If you have solved it, please post it with spoiler tags so we can be done with this riddle.
I have done character position frequency analysis given the assumption that each line is a single word. If what Mach10 said was valid than there should still be a majority of accuracy in the frequency data. The fringe character values should all remain relatively stable in terms of lining up to generalized frequency analysis datasets. The further into a word you go the less grammatical rules letters have to follow and the more evenly the spread out the data will become. This means if there are positional character substitutions you will have difficulty in tracking which letters are being swapped the most. This is reflected not only in the Top chart but also the data from Column 1,2 and 3. The further in you go to the right the less accurate the data appears:
Then there is the overall Character Analysis:
---Character Type Count---
Lower Case Count: 245
Upper Case Count: 61
Number Count : 22
Whitespace Count: 4
Total Letters : 306
---Letter Only Frequency--
Char [A]:34
Calculated Frequency: 11.11111068725586%
English Standard FRQ: 8.2
Char :4
Calculated Frequency: 1.3071895837783813%
English Standard FRQ: 1.5
Char [C]:13
Calculated Frequency: 4.248365879058838%
English Standard FRQ: 2.8
Char [D]:8
Calculated Frequency: 2.6143791675567627%
English Standard FRQ: 4.3
Char [E]:30
Calculated Frequency: 9.803921699523926%
English Standard FRQ: 12.7
Char [F]:4
Calculated Frequency: 1.3071895837783813%
English Standard FRQ: 2.2
Char [G]:2
Calculated Frequency: 0.6535947918891907%
English Standard FRQ: 2.0
Char [H]:10
Calculated Frequency: 3.2679738998413086%
English Standard FRQ: 6.1
Char :34
Calculated Frequency: 11.11111068725586%
English Standard FRQ: 7.0
Char [J]:0
Calculated Frequency: 0.0%
English Standard FRQ: 0.2
Char [K]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 0.8
Char [L]:15
Calculated Frequency: 4.901960849761963%
English Standard FRQ: 4.0
Char [M]:11
Calculated Frequency: 3.594771146774292%
English Standard FRQ: 2.4
Char [N]:17
Calculated Frequency: 5.55555534362793%
English Standard FRQ: 6.7
Char [O]:18
Calculated Frequency: 5.882352828979492%
English Standard FRQ: 7.5
Char [P]:9
Calculated Frequency: 2.941176414489746%
English Standard FRQ: 1.9
Char [Q]:2
Calculated Frequency: 0.6535947918891907%
English Standard FRQ: 0.1
Char [R]:22
Calculated Frequency: 7.189542293548584%
English Standard FRQ: 6.0
Char:18
Calculated Frequency: 5.882352828979492%
English Standard FRQ: 6.3
Char [T]:22
Calculated Frequency: 7.189542293548584%
English Standard FRQ: 9.1
Char :15
Calculated Frequency: 4.901960849761963%
English Standard FRQ: 2.8
Char [V]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 1.0
Char [W]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 2.4
Char [X]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 0.2
Char [Y]:5
Calculated Frequency: 1.6339869499206543%
English Standard FRQ: 2.0
Char [Z]:1
Calculated Frequency: 0.32679739594459534%
English Standard FRQ: 0.1
As you can see the overall character analysis seems to reflect the data being relatively close to what you'd expect to see. Granted the sample is much smaller so it lowers the confidence level of the data.However, ignoring sample size two assumptions can be made: A) Columns do not display the correct frequency data you'd expect to see for certain character in the given positions. B) Overall frequency data seems to indicate that this is not a cipher that includes substitution of characters, and or deletion of characters. Thus we can ultimately determine that characters are spread across the data set and as a result are not in their proper positions. I am now ever more convinced this is a transpositional obfuscation/cipher of some kind. There is always the possibility Drew did this intentionally to throw us off.
-Void
More character frequency positional analysis information can be found here: https://norvig.com/mayzner.html
Then there is the overall Character Analysis:
---Character Type Count---
Lower Case Count: 245
Upper Case Count: 61
Number Count : 22
Whitespace Count: 4
Total Letters : 306
---Letter Only Frequency--
Char [A]:34
Calculated Frequency: 11.11111068725586%
English Standard FRQ: 8.2
Char :4
Calculated Frequency: 1.3071895837783813%
English Standard FRQ: 1.5
Char [C]:13
Calculated Frequency: 4.248365879058838%
English Standard FRQ: 2.8
Char [D]:8
Calculated Frequency: 2.6143791675567627%
English Standard FRQ: 4.3
Char [E]:30
Calculated Frequency: 9.803921699523926%
English Standard FRQ: 12.7
Char [F]:4
Calculated Frequency: 1.3071895837783813%
English Standard FRQ: 2.2
Char [G]:2
Calculated Frequency: 0.6535947918891907%
English Standard FRQ: 2.0
Char [H]:10
Calculated Frequency: 3.2679738998413086%
English Standard FRQ: 6.1
Char :34
Calculated Frequency: 11.11111068725586%
English Standard FRQ: 7.0
Char [J]:0
Calculated Frequency: 0.0%
English Standard FRQ: 0.2
Char [K]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 0.8
Char [L]:15
Calculated Frequency: 4.901960849761963%
English Standard FRQ: 4.0
Char [M]:11
Calculated Frequency: 3.594771146774292%
English Standard FRQ: 2.4
Char [N]:17
Calculated Frequency: 5.55555534362793%
English Standard FRQ: 6.7
Char [O]:18
Calculated Frequency: 5.882352828979492%
English Standard FRQ: 7.5
Char [P]:9
Calculated Frequency: 2.941176414489746%
English Standard FRQ: 1.9
Char [Q]:2
Calculated Frequency: 0.6535947918891907%
English Standard FRQ: 0.1
Char [R]:22
Calculated Frequency: 7.189542293548584%
English Standard FRQ: 6.0
Char
Calculated Frequency: 5.882352828979492%
English Standard FRQ: 6.3
Char [T]:22
Calculated Frequency: 7.189542293548584%
English Standard FRQ: 9.1
Char :15
Calculated Frequency: 4.901960849761963%
English Standard FRQ: 2.8
Char [V]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 1.0
Char [W]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 2.4
Char [X]:3
Calculated Frequency: 0.9803921580314636%
English Standard FRQ: 0.2
Char [Y]:5
Calculated Frequency: 1.6339869499206543%
English Standard FRQ: 2.0
Char [Z]:1
Calculated Frequency: 0.32679739594459534%
English Standard FRQ: 0.1
As you can see the overall character analysis seems to reflect the data being relatively close to what you'd expect to see. Granted the sample is much smaller so it lowers the confidence level of the data.
-Void
More character frequency positional analysis information can be found here: https://norvig.com/mayzner.html
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You know what... I think I have convinced myself I am convinced when I am not. Guys, I have no f'n clue what Drew did here. Rereading what I wrote I don't think I can positively make any judgements on this data and have since striked through my assumptions.
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