Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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Old Duck

Old Duck
T1-Jafo said:
Sure it can. Not that difficult to build and successfully emulate a console with a PC. After all consoles are a form of PC.
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Really... Then why is everyone complaining that RDR2 is a console-only game, if they can just run it on a PS4 emulator? I think you confuse running old Nintendo ROMs on PC with running the latest console games on PC. But feel free to prove me wrong with a link to this emulator that allows a PC to play PS4 titles.

XB1 doesn't count since Microsoft already provides this service. Wait... So why is everyone on PC complaining about not having RDR2? Maybe I misunderstand this "play everywhere" XBox service I've heard about.
 

Maolagin

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EDIT: mis-posted in the wrong thread, leaving a link since the content is relevant to this thread too though.

Automation and Scripting - An investigation into further abuses of BGS and Powerplay

.... Spelling is correct, it's just the wrong word. I'll admit I have not read this entire thread, so apologies if someone has already offered this remedy, but bots could be 100% entirely stopped with one easy step added to all Power Play interfaces in game. Behold, the cure! OCR tools...
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Alwayslate

Alwayslate
ryan_m said:
Youtube videos are representative of what happened from one perspective, not all perspectives. It's entirely possible that FDev's spaghetti netcode just genuinely resulted in no damage being calculated on one side. We've all seen ships vanish from instances with no wake marker, right?

That being said, if I pull a Conda and shoot it with 3 friends for 5 minutes, it's not unreasonable to expect it to lose shields. If it doesn't lose shields, that is suspicious enough to warrant a report to FDev to have them check it out. I assume that they have logs and other information not available to me that they can use to see whether it was legit or not. That's what I'm talking about.
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There's one simple reason to not rely solely on videos.

If I can manipulate my weapon damage, I could just set it to 0.1 or something and go out and shoot some ships. Then I can accuse literally anyone for not losing shields/hull integrity.
 

Marcus Tullius

Marcus Tullius
Let me guess the possible answers of FD:

1. Burrow the head in sand and wait this thread to fade. A help from moderator is highly likely possible to lock this thread;
2. We will investigate and will take actions. No ETA, no guaranties

There is no 3. This is FD after all :D
 

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
Marcus Tullius said:
Let me guess the possible answers of FD:

1. Burrow the head in sand and wait this thread to fade. A help from moderator is highly likely possible to lock this thread;
2. We will investigate and will take actions. No ETA, no guaranties

There is no 3. This is FD after all :D
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3. Look at all these new shiny paintjobs. Black Friday suddenly today 😆
 

FatFreddysCoat

FatFreddysCoat
Not being a programmer, but I would have thought that a server side check that the stats of a ship the last time the Cmdr logged off match the stats of the ship the next time the Cmdr logs in wouldn’t be that hard to do.
 

Marcus Tullius

Marcus Tullius
FatFreddysCoat said:
Not being a programmer, but I would have thought that a server side check that the stats of a ship the last time the Cmdr logged off match the stats of the ship the next time the Cmdr logs in wouldn’t be that hard to do.
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It’s not hard at all. The sad truth is that FD simply do not care if you play the game or not, and if you play it, how. The only things they do care are sales. Exploits staying for ages, long standing bugs, no reaction about combatlogging. Boys, don’t bother us with nonsenses, buy paintjobs on regular basis and be around when the next expansion is ready, you can play others games meanwhile is everything they are saying last 4 years.
 

Tikanderoga

Tikanderoga
Marcus Tullius said:
It’s not hard at all. The sad truth is that FD simply do not care if you play the game or not, and if you play it, how. The only things they do care are sales. Exploits staying for ages, long standing bugs, no reaction about combatlogging. Boys, don’t bother us with nonsenses, buy paintjobs on regular basis and be around when the next expansion is ready, you can play others games meanwhile is everything they are saying last 4 years.
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They do fix money making bugs pretty quickly. Everything else does stay as it is. But yes: Buy paint jobs!
Too bad the last 5 months of paint jobs are uglier than elephant butt leaher.
 

GreyAreaUK

GreyAreaUK
Security really isn't my forte, but would sandboxing the client and encrypting the net traffic (SSL, etc) help here?

I agree though, Frontier need to be a hell of a lot more responsive on this. This isn't just going to go away.

Frontier, please: There's a time when staying silent on an issue is the right move. This is not that time.
 
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FatFreddysCoat

FatFreddysCoat
Marcus Tullius said:
It’s not hard at all. The sad truth is that FD simply do not care if you play the game or not, and if you play it, how. The only things they do care are sales. Exploits staying for ages, long standing bugs, no reaction about combatlogging. Boys, don’t bother us with nonsenses, buy paintjobs on regular basis and be around when the next expansion is ready, you can play others games meanwhile is everything they are saying last 4 years.
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So if the cheaters had (very unlikely I know) found a way to get free skins or ship kits, am I cynical in thinking this would suddenly become a priority to fix?
 

znôrt

znôrt
Commander Danicus said:
This may be a supposition, but it sounds like you are saying that state management is supervised in a more protected matter with a central server.
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yep. if only the server can update state you 'only' have to worry about protecting the server. this isn't bulletproof either, you must still ensure that the 'messages' coming from the clients are correct and authorized (say, not specifically forged to result in non-desired state changes as a side effect), but at least you have precise control of who can access and how, and you can trust your state at any moment.

in a p2p environment, each client maintains its own state and they somehow synch it together, but you have no control over any client nor what they do with their respective routers, (e.g. are they blocking each other?). from a security perspective this is a nightmare.
 
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