All the hackers are playing ED in their PS4 emulators on PC, LOL
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A lot of people wonder why people cheat, it's the same reason elite pilots gank harmless pilots gathering mats. They think it is funny and like ruining the fun for everyone.
My worry is every unexplainable encounter will be chalked up to "hackerz!!1!". I had a session with a FDL last week, around Cleve Hub, that seemed strange to me. I got his shields down to 1 ring and then it just stayed there. After 3 separate frag blasts (950dps) in less than a minute his shields seemed to be stuck there. Without knowing anything else (SCB for example) I might be tempted to start throwing accusations. I know there are other explanations, so I keep quiet.
Reading some of these (rather technical) comments it would seem that finding people using these cheats is not impossible, although time and money will be needed.
In the meantime, why can’t fdev do a quick search through YouTube and find the people obviously using these programs?
Several videos are available showing the commanders actively using these trainers. Some even have links to the program itself.
Permanently banning and deleting these accounts and adding a statement to the comments section (posting as Frontier) stating that it has been done would be starting the ball rolling on the deterrent.
One pennyworth of example is worth a pound of punishment.
In the meantime, why can’t fdev do a quick search through YouTube and find the people obviously using these programs?
Several videos are available showing the commanders actively using these trainers. Some even have links to the program itself.
Permanently banning and deleting these accounts and adding a statement to the comments section (posting as Frontier) stating that it has been done would be starting the ball rolling on the deterrent.
One pennyworth of example is worth a pound of punishment.
Excellent Post.
Huge Issue.
Massive concern.
Huge Issue.
Massive concern.
Reports from users can potentially be helpful in that they help the developers learn about new exploits circulating, but for exactly this reason cheat detection has to rely on automated data collection. To flesh out an example suggested above: when one player's ship fires on another, the clients should exchange not just the fact that it happened, but the variables behind their respective states. Then each client computes separately whether the shot landed and for how much damage. If they disagree, that might be flagged for investigation, and both clients forward some telemetry to the central servers.
The idea to all that is that it's reasonably easy to locate some values in memory and alter them, but it is exponentially harder to convincingly fake a whole sequence of events leading to the wrong outcome. For an exploit to be useful, it eventually has to do something inconsistent with the game reality, and if each client has to show it's work, that is very hard to hide.
The idea to all that is that it's reasonably easy to locate some values in memory and alter them, but it is exponentially harder to convincingly fake a whole sequence of events leading to the wrong outcome. For an exploit to be useful, it eventually has to do something inconsistent with the game reality, and if each client has to show it's work, that is very hard to hide.
There are several strategies on how to handle bans.
Banning them would just remove those who are stupid enough to do it on video, while everyone else continues cheating undetected.
Finding ways to reliably detect hacks on the other hand is way more efficient and the idiots posting on YouTube might even help with that.
Usually you don't want to ban everyone at the same time though, since that could help hackers identify how they've been detected.
Except that as of today, they still are harder than PC. Xbox One is immune so far. PS4 does allow to run unsigned code, if you can find a console with an older firmware and patches for the games (as games might require a more recent firmware to run).
PC, while being open is its greatest strength, it's also its greatest weakness.
And then give me a refund for the game and all shop purchases. I didn't buy this for solo mode.
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The last popular hack was identified, detection tools have been deployed and people got banned for it.
I checked that forum last night and there were like 300 "Thank You" in the topic with the hack. So the minimum number is about 300, maximum - no idea. Could be 3000? Could be more. Less?
Still, the game sold 2 million copies.
While i did knew that ED is prone to hacking, i had no idea about this hack. And i get the feeling that i'm not the only one in this situation.
TBH, i still think this is getting blown out of proportions and is doing way more harm than good.
Now everyone will scream CHEAT every time something would seem fishy instead of thinking that other explanation might be more appropriate.
Pretty much the Harry Potter encounter with Threeofseven, but multiplied tenfold.
Anyway, FDev should have a firmer stance on this matter and ban the accounts from the game at all, instead of banning to solo.
I mean something like: at least one week ban for first offence and perma-ban at second offence.
But, there should be no doubt that a hack was involved when using the ban-hammer - which i'm affraid is the real issue here.
PS. For the first time since i started to play ED, i'm glad i play on XBox
PS2. Beware of Witch Hunts.
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Care to elaborate a bit on this?
Regarding bans, it looks like Frontier are banning people to shadow servers where they have no influence on the BGS and stuff.
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What's funny is most of the time when FDEV do stream, they can barely play the game, let alone fly the ships.
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