Until I see some evidence that this is happening, then I'm afraid it's just corporate PR speak.
Got a way to go before I can trust this stuff.
Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.
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Got a way to go before I can trust this stuff.
I actually brought up something similar on Exi's stream last night when we were talking about cheats. I think a large part of FDev's inaction is due to the lack of awareness on how pervasive cheating truly is. In PUBG, a cheater affects every single person he comes into contact with directly and it is plainly evident to the victims. The cheating is immediately noticed by the playerbase. In Elite, cheating is mostly done in solo/PG rather than open and it's used in BGS or PowerPlay so the effects are essentially hidden from the victims, leaving them entirely unaware. The only place it is truly evident is in PvP where it gets reported all the time.
I have been playing ED for two years and have had many visual experiences with players who used cheats, hacks and other software (which I don't know at all how they work or what these software is).
I saw them upgrade shields and see this ship (A Cutter) with the player probably sleeping with the client open and the bot fighting for him, immobile in a resistance pocket with shields that didn't go down even attacking him with 4 fully armed corvettes + the NPCs who also shot them.
The shields did not go down: NEVER.
Reported, but obviously nothing ever happened, I saw the same player at other times (and I will not say the name, this post is not the gallery of shame).
I've seen others take off and have similar behaviors (never shields down, anacondas or other L-ships that dominated the performance of an FDL, going at speeds of over 1000m)
I've never seen actions of any kind, nor advertised as "we took 30 hackers and we banned them from the game"
Anything.
And now after a player who condemns this practice, various videos inserted by illustrious members of the community, the only answer is "rest assured, we are working on it, but not publicizing it, otherwise ...."
Well, seriously, you should give the example: and not banning those who report, but who applies cheats, hacks and software that modify our favorite game by entering the "God Mode".
But do it, publicly, explicitly, and with heavy sentences, not with temporary suspensions.
Especially for powerplay, where it is known that multiple accounts are used blatantly to "win" the clashes while the players are asleep, and the bots carry or fight ....
Thanks for what you do: but this time you need a strong and HARD signal: NO CHEATERS !!!!
I saw them upgrade shields and see this ship (A Cutter) with the player probably sleeping with the client open and the bot fighting for him, immobile in a resistance pocket with shields that didn't go down even attacking him with 4 fully armed corvettes + the NPCs who also shot them.
The shields did not go down: NEVER.
Reported, but obviously nothing ever happened, I saw the same player at other times (and I will not say the name, this post is not the gallery of shame).
I've seen others take off and have similar behaviors (never shields down, anacondas or other L-ships that dominated the performance of an FDL, going at speeds of over 1000m)
I've never seen actions of any kind, nor advertised as "we took 30 hackers and we banned them from the game"
Anything.
And now after a player who condemns this practice, various videos inserted by illustrious members of the community, the only answer is "rest assured, we are working on it, but not publicizing it, otherwise ...."
Well, seriously, you should give the example: and not banning those who report, but who applies cheats, hacks and software that modify our favorite game by entering the "God Mode".
But do it, publicly, explicitly, and with heavy sentences, not with temporary suspensions.
Especially for powerplay, where it is known that multiple accounts are used blatantly to "win" the clashes while the players are asleep, and the bots carry or fight ....
Thanks for what you do: but this time you need a strong and HARD signal: NO CHEATERS !!!!
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There have been multiple instances of people running these cheats in solo, then mistakenly log in to open, and get caught.
"we can assure people that the number of people using these are a very tiny number of players."
Fine, but a player with experience can move the balance of BGS/PP using those tools, so the number should be zero and not very tiny.
Fine, but a player with experience can move the balance of BGS/PP using those tools, so the number should be zero and not very tiny.
Are you sure that was the first time he cheated? Because, like, if he had been cheating for months it would be kinda daft to defend him...So banning the guy who blocked Jameson Memorial with a Beluga wasn't just an accidental own goal then? It was a considered and deliberate action taken against a peaceful act of civil disobediance, protest and awareness building?
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Yeah, as I just discovered. See my revised post.Are you sure that was the first time he cheated? Because, like, if he had been cheating for months it would be kinda daft to defend him...
While some more transparency would certainly be appreciated, I'd rather they say nothing than start making up figures as a false panacea.
Not as many hacks on consoles, I'd imagine, but probably plenty of cheaters.
They definitely need more telemetry and/or a way to automatically detect and flag incongruities.
They could start by explaining something of how their system identifies violators, and examples of what they are doing to deter such behavior.
The detail doesn't need to be great, but some demonstration of something, anything, more effective than allowing reports or publicity to reach a certain threshold before they get around to giving a reactionary slap on the wrist, would go a long way.
Now having to deal with cheating, this takes away valuable time, resources, and personnel that would otherwise be developing new and better content.
Nevertheless, anticipating and being proactive against cheating would have been in Frontier's best interest.
Nevertheless, anticipating and being proactive against cheating would have been in Frontier's best interest.
There are no easy solutions left, FDev squandered opportunities and have left issues like this fallow far too long for easy solutions to work imo. I did it professionally for years (for a car insurance company). The Pareto (80/20) rule is useful for prioritising, but they still have to deal with all of the community, not just the fun stuff.
That’s like saying running the game servers takes away valuable time, resources and personnel that would otherwise be developing new and better content.
There’s certain things you need to do in order to run a game. Catching cheaters is one of those things.
I respectfully disagree. At present "players have been banned" is less data then "113 players have been banned". AFAIK the only player that has been banned is the protestor since an FDEV statement about that specific individual.
How many players have been banned for using 3rd party cheats, for botting, for clogging? This data would be a step in the right direction in restoring confidence about game integrity.
Even with 2.75 million copies sold on all platforms, I would expect the number of people using cheats to be quite low.
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Here I am, still waiting 7 months later for system states and HGE spawn rates for Improvised components to be fixed so I can engineer multiple shields on my alt accounts. Seems it would be an easy fix, much easier than the whole cheat program mess probably.
I loved this game and miss playing, but idk how I could possibly do it anymore until stuff like this gets fixed. I still have hope, but prepared for disappointment.
I loved this game and miss playing, but idk how I could possibly do it anymore until stuff like this gets fixed. I still have hope, but prepared for disappointment.
I assume that FDEV is doing their best to be honest and forthcoming, while preserving the image that they are professionals and are responsive to the community.
Being ambiguous with statements, while appearing to be responsive is typical for business speak. It isn't lying.
Numbers of bans is data supporting their statements. If they choose to lie, there isn't much anyone can do about it.
At this point, my perception is there is a large confidence gap around the integrity of the game.
I think you are right. If they give out the numbers; most would not be satisfied, for a multitude of reasons. Plus: In the real world, the numbers mean nothing.
That said: Giving out any numbers of a particular type of 'offence'; shows the world that said offence is possible and so those inclined to do these things, will look for ways of doing so. It is a catch 22, for F.D.
I would say that the O.P. is about the use of software, to cheat. Be it bots or meta-ships or whatever. The O.P. is stating such things will incure a ban and to be blunt: Those being banned for doing so, are not going to go on a public rant about it. So we have no real idea; of how big this problem is, or how many are being caught and banned.
Exploiting 'bugs' in the game, are another matter; as in the grade 5 engineers god bugs of the past. This form of 'cheating' could be viewed as luck or accidental. Well until some idiot starts shouting about it, on the likes of Redit etc.. Then they are asking for an official reaction, from F.D., be it a ban or warning or what. Then it is up to F.D. to fix the issue, asap.
I don't see any reasons to be negative about what the O.P. has said. It is just a reinforcement or reiteration of the rules, making it plain; so there is no argument; about F.Ds position on the subject. It could also be a case of F.D. covering themselves; in advance of bring down the ban hammer; on a few players, that have been breaking the rules.
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