Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.

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sollisb

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Alec the guy had been using the cheats for months. Even using them in PvP. This was just the nail in the coffin for his account. Thats why he wasn't on Exegious stream last night.

That's hogwash! 'Nail in the coffin' like it's ok to cheat a little bit, but not a lot? Any account found to be cheating should be banned straight off. If hacking is also present, then the account should be shredded.

What we see from Frontiers actions, is they either a) didnt know he was cheating/hacking until making it public, or b) they knew and did nothing.

Further, after going public, and them doing an 'investigation' they merely banned his account to solo play. Sorry that is the cation expected from a company taking cheating/hacking seriously.
 
Hard to believe this when hackers keep coming back even after plenty of reports against them.

This post feels so empty of substance. You can at least tell us how many players you've banned in the last months. Plenty of companies do this. Just make up a number.

You mean the cheaters keep coming back? Because the hackers keep making new versions perhaps?

New accounts are cheap, they buy them up during sales. Want to reduce cheating? FD need to stop having sales. Make it more expensive for cheaters. But that means less people buying during sales who can't afford the full price.

As for how many they have banned? Sure, FD could even automate that:

function PostToForumNumberOfBans()
{
MakePostInThread(int ThreadID=23423423, string PostText="This month we banned the following number of players " + IntToString(RND(10)+1);
}

There, job done.
 
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But how pointless would be statistics? If we don't trust FD's word, how could we possibly trust any of their statistics? It's almost like begging to be lied to... That would be so easy and cheap for FD (or how would you ever be able to disprove any of these numbers thrown to us?) that the fact they don't do that is more reassuring to me than anything else.
Maybe they should go the other way?

Make a statement like: 'There will be over 100 players, having their accounts closed for using cheats, in the next 14 days.' That would get an interesting reaction.
 

sollisb

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Not exactly. Harry was the one that disclosed the exploit through a bug forum post on an alt as directed by FDev themselves. Harry reached out to FDev directly with PMs and they told him "we can't recreate it, post it on the public bug forums and we'll take a look at it."

The guy that got a temp ban made a video on how to do it and then, on FDev's own forum, said they weren't going to do anything about it and essentially dared them to ban him.

This is truth. They knew for months it was happening and did nothing. Only when it became public knowledge did they act.
 
People who use third party tools to change values in memory, like the current hack tool that is getting a lot of exposure, should be permanently banned.

I don't know what the current process is but these people should not get 3 strikes, solo mode only and not be able to affect the bgs or anything like that.

I too find it hard to believe that Frontier have been actively banning people for hacking before the recent storm that started with Platers video exposing the hacks. SDC's own investigation into what Frontier do about combat logging supports this.
 
This is truth. They knew for months it was happening and did nothing.

Citation from an internal source please. Otherwise you just made that up. You have zero idea of what was going on internally at FD.

It might be they sat on it and did nothing (which i think would be rather strange), or more likely, they worked on it quietly, like they have always done.
 
Make a statement like: 'There will be over 100 players, having their accounts closed for using cheats, in the next 14 days.' That would get an interesting reaction.

number of bans is a dumb indicator to follow. they can ban 2k people in a week, if next saturday evening there's a godly t9 blocking a station it will be for nothing.

number of bans / actual cheaters ratio is what you're looking for. it's a tricky metric, though. it involves trust. which needs consistency. and results.
 
I consider both just as bad. Combat Logging in any form is cheating and should be held in the same regard as this cheat engine. I honestly would like to see any form of logging have a 3 strike system with the 3rd strike being a permaban to solo. That would be awesome.
Well, when it can be prove to be a deliberate logging off; you may get your way. Until then; nothing will change.

There is a major difference between losing a connection; legitimately or otherwise and using a software patch, to cheat in a game. Lets keep things in proportion shall we.
 
number of bans is a dumb indicator to follow. they can ban 2k people in a week, if next saturday evening there's a godly t9 blocking a station it will be for nothing.

number of bans / actual cheaters ratio is what you're looking for. it's a tricky metric, though. it involves trust. which needs consistency. and results.
It should be 100% of those reported and found to be doing what the O.P. states is against the rules. There is however: A difference in the numbers, between the reposts and those genuinely using software to cheat.
 

sollisb

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Community: FD aren't telling us anything about cheaters.

FD: Say what they can say.

Community: Its not good enough.

Its quite understandable why they might not even bother.

Please stop trying to defend the indefensible.

What they could do, is tell us they are working on a system, yes it might take a month, but they are working on it to log all actions and put in place checks on ship changes etc etc. At the very least there should be random (FDev do random better than anyone) to pass all your ships modules and variables back to the server. Where they can be checked and if found to be modified, disconnect the client if those changes are deemed to fall outside 'normal expectations'. That would be my first port of call. There are others.

What we see is a corporate response telling us they take it all very seriously, straight after the entire world got to see how a player can hack and create god ship, and stay like that for 90 odd minutes and there was no-one in HQ to pull his plug. Then, amazingly they did an investigation after their holidays, and found he had been hacking prior to the public display, and what was their response? We expected a outright ban, never to see the account again, but what we got was, he can't play in multiplayer no more, he has to play solo.

Like I said elsewhere... My Auntie has bigger testicles.
 

sollisb

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Citation from an internal source please. Otherwise you just made that up. You have zero idea of what was going on internally at FD.

It might be they sat on it and did nothing (which i think would be rather strange), or more likely, they worked on it quietly, like they have always done.

I don't have an 'internal' source of anything. I did have the posts screen-shotted but amazingly they went missing from my forums account. Further, if you check back far enough, you'll see in the beta reports that it was reported then and the reply was they couldn't emulate it.

Fell free to call me a liar all you want.
 
I don't think PR statements are going to make this go away Fdev. Please consider implementing something like this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/cheating-in-elite-dangerous.512001/post-7820140

Players want to know that their reports are not just vanishing into a black-hole mailbox somewhere.
That could be used as bragging rights.

Plus: You report someone and then you don't get to see that they have been banned; because what they are doing is not covered by the O.Ps software subject. You are going to kick off etc.. As would anybody, who thought that they were right when reporting any player; they 'think' is cheating.
 
People who cheat in Elite should be perma banned from the game. Fdev should also make a sticky post of all the CMDR names that have been banned.

I believe the number of people cheating is way higher than the community suspects. This is one reason Fdev will not do a mass ban.

I believe if Fdev actually banned all the cheaters, the number of active players would drop by a huge percentage. Fdev does not want to lose all these players from their game. This is not new. Fdev have known about cheating in Elite for years. They will allow cheating as long as those cheating keep it quiet. They will only punish (lightly) those who brag openly about cheating on streams ect. Just like what has happened recently.

Fdev please prove me wrong on this and make a post of the people you catch cheating and list their CMDR names and punishments. Otherwise, I'm not buying your story.
 

ryan_m

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Citation from an internal source please. Otherwise you just made that up. You have zero idea of what was going on internally at FD.

It might be they sat on it and did nothing (which i think would be rather strange), or more likely, they worked on it quietly, like they have always done.

They absolutely did not work on it quietly because Harry had to jump in a voice chat with a QA guy to explain to him how to replicate it. They literally could not do it themselves after being given step-by-step instructions by Harry.
 
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