That may be so, but your views on how to deal with it are trash. I hope no one heeds them.
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That may be so, but your views on how to deal with it are trash. I hope no one heeds them.
Ah, well, if we are bringing bots into it, then yes. I wasn't aware we had crossed over into discussion of people running bots.
Is there really that much difference between someone running a cheat and someone flying a Corvette PvE death machine? Its one of the reasons i don't fly the big ships for combat, it feels like cheating. Wreck ships in seconds, little risk of damage. As i said, some advantage, but how much difference does it really cause for a CZ?
I mean, you're a PvPer right? Isn't one of the common statements from PvPers regarding the reason they do PvP is that PvE is too easy?
I think the "trainer" (cheat program) for Elite has been around for years. There never was much noise about it though.
The trainer wasn't as freely available as it is now. I don't know when this happend, but before the trainer was only available in closed groups.
PvP is hardly the only part of my game and that question here is totally irrelevant.
Conflict zones are much tougher these days. They also have secondary objectives that are worth completing. A cheater would have an unfair advantage over a non cheater, period.
To downplay it like you are is pathetic.
You can literally one-shot NPCs with these cheats, so yeah, there's a pretty big difference. If you can kill 5x faster than another comparable ship, you can do 5x as much work in the same amount of time.
PvE is easy if you're looking at it through the lens of a single fight. Mowing down NPCs requires absolutely zero real thought after a while and gets boring incredibly quickly. That's the reason people move to PvP, for a challenge based on combat skill between players, not who can spend more time shooting NPCs.
It really is disheartening to see you try and minimize this across 20 pages because I know you know the impact.
Thanks for the confirmation you're not here to help. Now your posts can be understood in their proper context!
The community can continue to bring awareness to it by commenting and spreading the information around. Saying something once and then going "well, I said it now the ball is in their court" isn't a great way to get things changed.
The buck stops at Fdev for sure but silence doesn't solve anything.
Especially considering some of the voices in this thread.
Especially considering some of the voices in this thread.
I can't help but notice that some of the same people in this thread who have historically moaned
PvP is toxic, awful behavior done by toxic, awful people!! Frontier needs to BAN THEM ALL!!!
Are now taking the position of
Hackers are going to hack, and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. And it isn't like they ruin YOUR day, so what's the problem?
PvP is toxic, awful behavior done by toxic, awful people!! Frontier needs to BAN THEM ALL!!!
Are now taking the position of
Hackers are going to hack, and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. And it isn't like they ruin YOUR day, so what's the problem?
In actual reality, keeping up awareness is literally the most effective way to get something changed. Feel free to move on to another thread, mate. This one isn't even in Dangerous Discussion. Super easy for you to avoid.
Yes, I'm sorry for the rude reply. I got carried away.
But returning to your previous post:
I did previously try to help with my opinion on how to play the game while this "cheaters' curse" endures:
Feel free to trash it again if you like.
But to many others that feel unsure about playing ED while this situation occurs, maybe my opinion has some value.
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PG PvP doesn't work.
I'm a pirate. The point is to hit players with a certain degree of shock.
Get over it. That's how PvP is meant to work in games like ED.
Then why reply? Or does the shoe fit better than you care to acknowledge?
That's probably true, but as far as my own "research" revealed, it existed before ED turned 64 bit (if I understand it right), because for some reason there is a gap between some 32-bit version that apparently wouldn't work on the newer 64-bit version, and an updated version didn't come out until last year. So there was probably a few years when the "trainer" didn't work. Now, don't take it as me being expert on this. I never used it myself, but this is the little I could find when digging through the stacks of google links...
I think when I did my own research, they had a version up to the Elite version before last patch.
A method FDev could use to circumvent trainers is to release a new patch with small changes to the location and code relating to the features that are hacked. It does take a few days before a new hack shows up usually, so it becomes a chase, making it almost useless for the cheaters to wait for the new trainer once a week. Also, FDev could start adding some encryption tech to some of the data, perhaps even use unique keys per installation (lic-code based maybe), so the trainer can't easily encode the cheats. But even then, there's no guarantee for hackers to find a way. Seen it many times in the past.
LOL! Yeah, if everyone cheated and got shadow banned into the shadow server, then that would be the new Open!?!Don't worry, right now they are about to turn Open mode into a global shadow server. For all I care they can have it all.
I know its not actually offline, but the effect is, as if it is offline. If anything that a player does in this perma-ban mode can't change, affect, or influence the main game, then what is the point of not allowing modding? I would love to see a vibrant modding community grow up around Elite like it has with games like Skyrim. Its the modding community that has kept games like that alive and flourishing way past their used by date. Just to be clear (because I know someone will say it), I know Elite hasn't reached its used by date, but I could see so much more growth with the help of a modding community, particularly in a mode that was offline or acted in that way. There is no statement that this mode is in anyway connected to the main game. That is, until stated otherwise, it is just an assumption.
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