What about them?What about people that have only 1 hour a day to play?
Does anyone else find this annoying?
- Thread starter Chaparral
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Common sense = don't play the game as it is designed.
Are you sure this is what you want to say?
It is equivalent to saying that elements of the game are badly designed, and you should avoid those parts.
Shouldn't you lobby to improve the design rather than tell players to avoid badly executed parts of the game?
I'm STILL scratching my head as to the purpose of this argument.
I mean...you have a spacecraft; you're upset that you have to FLY it?
By the time you get out of the Pilot's Federation Kiddie Pool; you should know that some secondary systems are farther away than others.
If they're in the Bubble; they're overwhelmingly likely to be listed in the Codex, EDDB and Inara so you should know where you're flying before you leave.
Honestly - not trying to be a twit; I'm just not getting the counter-argument. Even if fifteen minutes of flying is too much for you - and that kind of makes me roll my eyes - you could at least have checked the route prior to flying.
I mean...you have a spacecraft; you're upset that you have to FLY it?
By the time you get out of the Pilot's Federation Kiddie Pool; you should know that some secondary systems are farther away than others.
If they're in the Bubble; they're overwhelmingly likely to be listed in the Codex, EDDB and Inara so you should know where you're flying before you leave.
Honestly - not trying to be a twit; I'm just not getting the counter-argument. Even if fifteen minutes of flying is too much for you - and that kind of makes me roll my eyes - you could at least have checked the route prior to flying.
Lestat
Banned
No I saying the player need to think when they are doing something. I find a terrible game design would be to cater to players that don't want to use any common sense while playing a game.
So an idea is Start Using Potential credit earn + Distance and asks your self this. Is the task worth it to you. If not. You have other options like Discarding a task at hand.
Can we make Beagle Point closer while we're at it?
OP: Sounds like this just may not be the game for you.
OP: Sounds like this just may not be the game for you.
The OP didn't know how far away the USS was prior to accepting the mission because that information is not provided.
DISCARD lowers your rep with the minor faction, which is undesirable if you're trying to build rep. A good player will select missions so they can confidently build rep, and use their skill and experience to ensure success. But your description describes a process with no skill involved when selecting a mission - just a roll of the dice.
This is a game, not a gambling machine.
If you're OK with the current mechanic, you should also be OK with loot boxes, since they're no different.
I'm still waiting to hear what I would win when I press that 'I WIN' button you repeatedly say I'm asking for. Mind you, I've only asked a couple of dozen times over the past year or so, so I guess you must still be drafting your response.
I'm saying the game should be smartened up to allow the player to employ skill and experience to ensure success without having to waste their time needlessly.
- Combat missions require skill and experience in combat to ensure success. Higher skill and experience equates to a higher and faster chance of success. The player has control over how quickly they can accomplish these missions.
- Mining missions require skill and experience in mining to ensure success. Higher skill and experience equates to a higher and faster chance of success. The player has control over how quickly they can accomplish these missions.
- Trade missions require skill and experience in navigation, combat/evasion, and piloting to ensure success over short distances. Higher skills in navigation, combat/evasion, and piloting offer no additional benefit on long distance missions. The player has no control in how quickly they can accomplish long distance missions because there is no skill involved in travelling long distances.
If you think allowing players to use skill to enable them to do more things faster means 'dumbing down' the game, then that sounds like a problem unique to you.
I never once said I don't want negative rep in the game. Negative rep serves a useful purpose for players who are unable to complete a mission because they lack the required skill.
But forcing a player to abandon a mission and accept negative rep because 'SURPRISE! It was always going to take you way too long to complete anyway...' (i.e missions the player wouldn't have accepted in the first place if they'd known) is dumb game design, little better than a loot box.
Additionally, the player has wasted their time choosing a mission only to later find out he would never been able to complete it in the time available.
You also arrogantly assume that players are unable to make 'common sense' decisions, which is patronising in the extreme. We know how to avoid long distance mission if we know they are long distance. We know how long they take. We know they are not difficult. We know you find it 'fun' to sit there and do absolutely nothing for upwards of 20 mins. It doesn't change the fact that long distance journeys are unnecessarily slow and boring.
Also, I don't know what kind of bizarro world you live in where you think Elite is the only game that requires players to use 'common sense'. I don't even know how to respond to that.
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You're right, there are things to do in SC, whereas racing games have nothing to do at all.
Wow. What racing games do you play??
We already have! With FSD engineering, Guardian FSD boosters, and neutron star jumps, getting to Beagle Point has never been quicker or easier.Can we make Beagle Point closer while we're at it?
As common sense dictates I would of course assume a game has an option to drop a mission, but I would not expect that to be a regular way I am somewhat forced to make use of (same with re-logging or board flipping). I would rather have the game adjust to this inconvenience, or challenge if you want, accordingly, but ED presents the same ordinary USS irrespective of the distance. Also the payout is not adjusted accordingly. So instead of the game making me want to travel 300,000ls, it rather makes me quit the mission. It is badly designed - plain and simple.
Hahaha - You act like the game has never been modified based on Forum feedback. I'm triple elite on one toon, double elite and deadly on the second, and elite mid tier on the third. I love this game, even with its broken parts. The mission system is a broken part. The rng uss position locations are broken - badly. Don't feel bad Vincent, play a few more hours and you'll understand.Can we make Beagle Point closer while we're at it?
OP: Sounds like this just may not be the game for you.
Help me to understand. If the game generates taks 99% of the playerbase will not take (i.e. extremely distant uss spawns with payouts consistent with nearby rng uss spawns) then is it DEVELOPER common sense to produce these missions? Of course not.
Lestat
Banned
Where does it say 99% of the player base will not take? Or Is that your made-up numbers?
I take long-distance trips all the time in the game. But I look at the Credit I could earn + the Distance and then ask my self is it worth it for me to take. If it was 300,000 credits, and I find it 200,000LY I use basic common sense and then decide. If it were 300,000 credit, I would discard mission. Problem solved, and woopie on the Rep lost. Because I have other missions to do that help in my Rep., But I would travel for 3,000,000+ credits at 200,000LY. But it takes players common sense that comes into gameplay. You have to make choices even in the middle of the mission. Just like if you take a Combat mission and the NPC is too strong and you Flee. Sometimes you have to Discard. If you feel it either too hard or too far.
It a pity you want to do is ask the DEVELIPORS to eliminate players common sense and gameplay and remove players decision making from players who play Elite Dangerous In a sense remake the Game into Elite Stupid which plays itself for you and decide for you. Decisions that players should be making for them self.
It would be wonderful to see actual data from FDEV on how many players actually follow the surprise mechanics of rng uss locations that spawn hundreds of thousands of of ls from the main star. I think 1% is generous.
You truly are missing the point. If a bridge you drive across only makes it 3/4 across a river, would you say oh - its common sense, you just have to drive really fast when you get to that part and jump the gap, or would you say - hey - finish the dang bridge!
The game in this instance is designed poorly - it is incomplete. It must be fixed.
As I mentioned before though... for many mission types, you cannot assess the distance. For all the missions where you can determine the distance off the mission description, the reward actually factors that in. That's a developer oversight... where the player can't determine the distance, neither can the developer, therefore it's not factored in to the mission reward.
But say you can take two assassination missions worth approximately the same reward in a system with celestial bodies over 200,000Ls away... you get in system, one is 5,000Ls away, the other 250,000Ls away. You cannot determine how far that mission is going to be based off the mission description.
Moreover, you could hit the 5,000Ls one, then flip the game until you get a mission USS spawn closer to you for the one originally spawning 200,000Ls away[1]. Again, that's developer oversight.
tl;dr Your comment that "You look at credits + distance" is impossible for many mission types.... it only works for Delivery, Courier and Passenger missions.
[1] it depends on what location procedurally generates for the location of the mission target... if the target is "on the trade lane between Star A and B, where that distance is 200k Ls, then you can flip until it spawns closer to A than B. If it's "Planet B 1" then you're SOL as it'll always be IVO that body.
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Good luck getting FDev to remove long distance SC.
Don't like flying long distances? Don't.
That's my (apparently naive) viewpoint. Maybe when I've reached your l337 level and bought some more accounts I'll have a more nuanced and considered opinion.
I think it pathetic that people would use exploits in this game and I think they should fix those exploits. Reloading and collecting extra mission and such and now using it to make distance shorter. I could say you are a group of player cheaters.
I play this game as a space sim and as a role player. Length plays a factor in this game for me.
It was also funny Commander Danicus made two topics about it.
I play this game as a space sim and as a role player. Length plays a factor in this game for me.
It was also funny Commander Danicus made two topics about it.
You have completely misunderstood this whole thread.
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I'm playing a game - if I want to go to the loo, make a cuppa and make out with the misso and engage with the kids, I turn the PC OFF!
Yes, we already know all that. It doesn't invalidate the OP's point in any way.
It's great that you don't care about losing rep, but that feeling is not shared by others.
Players want to be able to make an informed decision as to whether to take on a mission. That's not unreasonable, since other mission types allow you to make an informed decision.
It's a pity you don't understand the role of DEVELIPORS [sic]. It's a pity that your thinking is so limited that you think being able to make informed decisions is the same as making the game stupid.
I really think this whole topic of conversation is beyond your capacity to understand, so it's not surprising your regularly accuse other players of wanting to dumb down the game when in reality it seems you are just unable to understand what they are asking.
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