I live in Amish country they don't have flushing toilets maybe some liberal ordons that might have some kind of stuff but like that. anyone can say their authority on anything on the internet doesn't make you one. This whole thread is stupid. the whole conversation in this thread is stupid. there's nothing that's ever going to be considered that can convince the person to enjoy something he obviously chooses not to enjoy. this thread is stupid and it needs to be closed. the only thing this thread is good for is how stupid it is.
I live next door to Amish country, and they have water. They also have electricity in their barns, but only in their barns, so as to be able to be compliant with FDA regulations for milk and cheese processing. These sorts of things are brought up to their local counsels and debated by the elders, and if consensus is reached and these “modern trappings” are agreed to be both necessary and will not otherwise interfere with their lifestyle, they can and are adopted by that community.
This digression has reached its terminus. There’s nothing particularly stupid about this thread; it’s peoples’ feelings. Granted those are pretty stupid, and none of us should have them, but we do, and this is what we do with them.