We Shouldn't be Bound to Animals Only Found in Zoos

I would prefer to see all real exsisting animals on our planet earth first in this game and then maybe ( in a few years) they could give DLC with fantasy or dinosaur content. well as for Whales, ect I hope they won´t be added unless planet zoo gets something like an ocean/ beach area feature, I don´t want to place a beautiful orca into a small "toddler-pool like" waterhole, but as said before nobody has to use all content in their zoos
 
I agree, I got a bit of a whiplash from their bear choices. Feels a lot like they chose their most obscure species from their Zoo Tycoon to put in the game.

I'd much rather see the American black bear, and if they wanted another brown bear, I'd rather see the Kodiak bear... But moreso Sun or Sloth bear.

I get that they are trying to taking a global approach. Grizzly bears are North American, as are Kodiak Bears. Kodiak bears are also uncommon in captivity. I personally would never have picked another brown bear subspecies when there are so many other bear species to choose from. Both Sun or Sloth bears would have been great representations for Asia, but these would require new models and more arboreal behavior. But if they had to to choose a brown bear, the eurasian brown bear would have been a more logical choice, or the Syrian brown bear, for a rarer subspecies which also would at least provide visual interest and contrast to the grizzly bear as they are famous from their light colored coats.
I have no problem with the Asiatic black bear. To me as an American they are more exotic than the American black bear and have the charismatic moon on their chest. I just wish they simply left it at the species level, Asian black bear, rather than designating the Formosan black bear. Most zoos do not track their black bear subspecies, and I would like my signage and information to read Asian black bear, rather than Formosan, which would have minimal name recognition with zoo patrons. I would still love to see Sun and Sloth bears in the future but not in the base game. With the assumption that we are getting Giant Pandas at the full release, and maybe (hoping) Polar bears I think we have enough bears for now!
 
I don't get this post. Did I miss a rule? If you want something in game, e.g. dinos, make a topic about it. Or add to the millions there already are. Why telling people to be vocal about their wishes? Aren't they? I do't feel like we players are shy to share our ideas and wishes...Litterally no one is restricted to ask for something. That is, if it's legal of course.
 
I would prefer to see all real existing animals on our planet earth first in this game and then maybe ( in a few years) they could give DLC with fantasy or dinosaur content
Only a fraction of animal species on our planet are even represented in captivity, let alone zoos exclusively. Even just focusing on all of the species currently held in captivity Frontier could model for the next decade and still not release them all. Even games like ZT2 that have had the entire community modding for two decades now have gotten anywhere near this feat. So let's not pretend there is some imaginary endpoint after which point Frontier will run out of options and then have to turn to "cryptids" or other ridiculous options in order to produce new material.
I am 100% on board with Frontier focusing their time and energy on species that we still have here and now. Maybe they can even introduce people to some species they have never heard of and raise awareness and conservation efforts. There are so many amazing and mysterious real creatures out there. Why we would we ever need bigfoot and jackelopes?
 
Like I said in one of my threads, people are upset not by what the message is, but how the message is delivered. From what I see, some people here wrote their wishes in a demanding and threatening manner. Nobody likes people like that.

"Here's my wishlist! Take it or I'll sue you!"

Something like that.
 
For example the Himalayan brown bear, is critically endangered, and extremely rare in captivity. As far as I know it is not held in any collections outside of its native range. I find it a truly bizarre choice for the base game when they are literally dozens of other bear species/subspecies commonly found in zoos that they could have chosen from. For those players advocating for recently extinct species, this species and several others that have been included will likely soon be on that list.
The same problem exists with the Formosan black bear, not only did they choose an extremely rare, little known subspecies, but it is so obscure for me it takes the fun out of using it in a zoo. Many people myself included, want to create realistic zoos, down to the species that we have to choose from.

I only know about Europe but there are four zoos with Himalayan brown bears: one in Czechia, two in Russia and one in Ukraine.

I’ve said this elsewhere and will say it again, we still haven’t seen the full list of animals and who knows what other bears are lined up.

As for the Formosan black bear, to me it’s just an Asiatic black bear as the subspecies don’t differ significantly. I’ll be very happy using it in my Japanese zoo for example.

To answer the original point if this thread, from a purely personal and selfish point of view, I really don’t want extinct animals of any description. Returning to the ZT2 comparison, it was very frustrating having dodos and dinosaurs when you didn’t even have an alpaca or an Asian small-clawed otter...

I agree with others who have commented on the tone of some wish list posts “why don’t we have this or that...” in quite demanding language at times. It’s disappointing to read, especially when - I’ll say it again - we don’t know the full line up of species yet.
 
Have I seen a Bengal Tiger in a zoo outside India? Yep!

Also I’m pretty sure by “successor to zoo tycoon” they most likely meant the Xbox game, not the 2004 computer game, though inspiration can certainly be taken from there too.
 
For example the Himalayan brown bear, is critically endangered, and extremely rare in captivity. As far as I know it is not held in any collections outside of its native range. I find it a truly bizarre choice for the base game when they are literally dozens of other bear species/subspecies commonly found in zoos that they could have chosen from. For those players advocating for recently extinct species, this species and several others that have been included will likely soon be on that list.
The same problem exists with the Formosan black bear, not only did they choose an extremely rare, little known subspecies, but it is so obscure for me it takes the fun out of using it in a zoo. Many people myself included, want to create realistic zoos, down to the species that we have to choose from. On a similar note the Bengal tiger, despite being well known is not kept in captivity, outside of India. That's right chances are you have never seen a purebred Bengal tiger in a zoo.

Himalayan black bear is kept in a few European zoos. You're right about the Formosan black bear and Bengal tiger I think.
For the black bear, you could just ignore it's subspecies status though.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see Markun's reply. Now my message adds nothing.
 
For what it's worth, the first zoo I had planned to recreate was the Taipei Zoo, so I was actually thrilled to see the Formosan Black Bear. Different strokes different folks.
 
I get both sides of this argument. But would a good compromise be that if any future DL is focused around extinct or mythical creatures simply not be available in online franchise mode?
As long as people get what they want in some capacity, then I think it's overall a net win. Fans of the atypical get what they want, Frontier gets money, and fans of the typical are still allowed to push for typical zoo animals to potentially be added at some point (as well as never having to buy and/or see the animals they don't want).
 
Here come the parade of people who want to scream at you for wanting something they don't want.

Nobody is screaming here, we are having a civil discussion about which wishes are likely to happen and which are not and why by using reasonable arguments ;) Also, it's usually your side of the disagreement that is incredibly defensive about everything

Like I said in one of my threads, people are upset not by what the message is, but how the message is delivered. From what I see, some people here wrote their wishes in a demanding and threatening manner.

"Plz add meerkats" and nothing else.

Literally the worst :D
 
It is best not to distinguish between animals. Frankly, I don't care what animal they add to the game. I play my game. But I'm very sensitive about the orca.
"Conservation" and "realism" are nothing short of base-game marketing tactics. These are easily expendable and can be set aside when it comes to DLC.

Bears aren't apes, and telling people to go play other games isn't a good way to build up a community.

Restricted by people always coming down on them, subtly shunning them for their wishes.
and yes I agree with this statement.
constantly producing animals and releasing them to nature after a while for me becomes very boring. this should not be my only purpose. Already most of the people are playing this game for fun.
The protection is actually the marketing strategy of this game.
Does protecting animals mean leaving them in the wild? I already had this feature in the Zoo Tycoon game. but it wasn't too much of an elaborate feature.
For me the protecting in this game only applies in campaign mode. I want to draw my own way in my own zoo.
I want to add this. all animals kept in all zoos are controversial, some of them secrets have not been revealed or are not popular. So it's wrong to focus so much on killer whales.
If I made a statement that killer whales should not be in this game, I would feel extremely hypocritical. I here certainly do not blame the game. I will say that in this game must be all animals kept in zoos and kept in the aquarium. The most important factor that makes a game beautiful is that it is realistic. Frontier do the real thing.
this orca issue has already been exaggerated and has become a ridiculous topic.
as a result, this is the game world. zoo tycoon 2 also had killer whales and shows. There were a few more games. Was there any problem then? no. now there is no problem. our discussions that cause problems. and no one cares what animal is already in this game.
I don't want to start the discussion again.
there are thousands of ways to add killer whales or any animal to this game.
I opened this account because I want killer whale. so you can usually see me talking about killer whales.
I'll tell those who hate me, I'm sorry, but I'll go on forever. I will continue until justice is found.
I've never doubted the Frontier team. I mean, I don't think you'il ignore me or anyone like me. I always trust the frontier.

Thank you... :)
I'm not a water park supporter.
Thank God I can distinguish between real life and videogame...
 
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Frontier has stated they have zero intention of adding fantasy creatures or other mythical animals.

Their focus is on living animals, and honestly, there are so many different species that most people don’t know exist.

Wishes are fine but honestly, more people want real animals, birds, marine animals ect than fake creatures.

This isn’t zoo tycoon. Can people seriously please stop comparing them?

I keep comparing the two in terms of what I hope the community can aspire to become. The level of creativity (and energy) that people have put into ZT2 over the last 10+ years has been astonishing and has kept me playing the game far longer than any other computer game I've ever owned, because it's constantly being updated and there's so much variety! My biggest hope is that, eventually, Frontier puts out a Toolkit similar to what they did with PlanCo that allows folks to create their own theme sets, enrichment items, animal models, etc. That would put a lot of these conversations to rest. :)

Anyway. Do you happen to recall the interview or spot where they said that about the fantasy creatures? Might be a good reference point here. I remember seeing that somewhere too at some point, but I can't place it.
 
Although you are talking about a different game made by different people... >.>

Just saying ^_^
Frontier made a Zoo Tycoon game 6 years ago, and it's more than likely that they took inspiration from the Zoo Tycoon games (ex. poop vacuum strikingly similar to the one in Zoo Tycoon 1, noticeable overlap between the PZ roster and the Zoo Tycoon rosters).

And it's not like Frontier would ignore the benchmarking business strategy.
 
I don't know what you're arguing about, but at the beginning of the game, they said it was partly the sequel to zoo tycoon and the zoo tycoon team was in this game.
 
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