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If Elite Dangerous does, then it does. FD define what data is allowed to be used by third parties, not the coder.
If GARD has a dataset from EDR do you have an individual that acts as a data controller in case an individual chooses to make a data subject access request? Where in the EULA for Elite am I agreeing to yourselves through using EDR to act as data controllers of my information? Is there a contractual agreement between EDR and FDev for how personally identifiable data will be transferred and stored?
 
If GARD has a dataset from EDR do you have an individual that acts as a data controller in case an individual chooses to make a data subject access request? Where in the EULA for Elite am I agreeing to yourselves through using EDR to act as data controllers of my information? Is there a contractual agreement between EDR and FDev for how personally identifiable data will be transferred and stored?
I don't believe that any personally identifiable data is provided by FD's API, period.
 
If Elite Dangerous does, then it does. FD define what data is allowed to be used by third parties, not the coder.

gray area? edr developers should comply not only with its actual users but with any open player who would have the right to have his/her data withdrawn. dunno what gdpr says specifically for games, and i'm guessing that being a non-profit activity (is it?) could exempt them from much of that, but anyway the responsibility goes up to frontier who could be held responsible for any data collection in their game, much like service providers are for any third parties they host.

dunno, just speculating. the implications of privacy protection of 'game data' could be a whole new level of madness 😂
 

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Data collected identifies me by my in game name. It may not be a risk of identity theft but it is personally identifiable information. The github for EDR accepts patreon subscription/donation but I don't know if it's being run as a registered non-profit organisation.
 
Any ship that can do that can also just jump away. There is no purpose or point to escorts in this game, at all. Either you can can kill the target in 20 seconds or you cant, and no escort will have any influence on that.
And yet my trader friend and I found both purpose and fun with me running escort. I'm glad I don't listen to you "it can't be done" folks, as I would have been robbed of much joy in this game if I had.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFhY6IaUJ40

It just so happens I'm an ex-submariner :p
 
Data collected identifies me by my in game name. It may not be a risk of identity theft but it is personally identifiable information. The github for EDR accepts patreon subscription/donation but I don't know if it's being run as a registered non-profit organisation.
With the greatest respect, how is your CMDR name in game, and statistics releating to said CMDR, personally Identifiable Information encompassed by the GDPR? Unless you are careless enough to use your real-life name in game and make a point of telling everyone you meet that you are in Macclesfield there is no issue.

It has been verified that no personal information is transmitted - so why are you getting legal on an organisation that uses Patreon, if you are genuinely concerned about your game data being used, have you considered playing in Solo only to prevent being sighted by other players who may potentially log such meeting?

Or are you a 'new' account for an 'old friend' who suggested Trading Standards was a great place to report bugs in this game? (Going solely by the legalistic angle and creation date of your account, of course :) )
 
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With the greatest respect, how is your CMDR name in game, and statistics releating to said CMDR, personally Identifiable Information encompassed by the GDPR? Unless you are careless enough to use your real-life name in game and make a point of telling everyone you meet that you are in Macclesfield there is no issue.

It has been verified that no personal information is transmitted - any why are you getting legal on an organisation that uses Patreon, if you are genuinely concerned about your game data being used, have you considered playing in Solo only to prevent being sighted by other players who may potentially log such meeting?

I am not disputing your point but one thing I want to add is that as databases get sold and coalesce, what constitutes personally identifiable information is changing.
 
And yet my trader friend and I found both purpose and fun with me running escort. I'm glad I don't listen to you "it can't be done" folks, as I would have been robbed of much joy in this game if I had.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFhY6IaUJ40

That's just you and a mate roleplaying something. That's cool and all, and if you get enjoyment out of it please have as much fun as you can. But no actual griefer cares if you 'escort' a trader in your vulture. If I were to grief that trader you would simply not matter, I would completely ignore you and nothing you'd do would influence the outcome in any way. The trader dies or jumps, and you can watch if you want.

That's not my opinion, that's a numerical fact, btw. That's not meant to discourage you either, and I have pretend-escort and 'flown CAPS' for canonn when barnacles were discovered for many hours myself. Being an avid roleplayer it was fun! But at no point did I forget that an actual griefer could show up, dumbfire the crap out of all local SRVs while fully ignoring my tiny fighter flying patrol. It's also why the entire 'DW2 'escort' concept was great for roleplay but pointless from a mechanical pov (and why, I kid you not, most 'escorts' only flew in PG!).

So have fun, but in the meanwhile be open about how the game actually works. Who knows, maybe one day it will be balanced to the point escorts actually have a mechanical purpose.
 
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With the greatest respect, how is your CMDR name in game, and statistics releating to said CMDR, personally Identifiable Information encompassed by the GDPR? Unless you are careless enough to use your real-life name in game and make a point of telling everyone you meet that you are in Macclesfield there is no issue.

It has been verified that no personal information is transmitted - any why are you getting legal on an organisation that uses Patreon, if you are genuinely concerned about your game data being used, have you considered playing in Solo only to prevent being sighted by other players who may potentially log such meeting?

Or are you a 'new' account for an 'old friend' who suggested Trading Standards was a great place to report bugs in this game? (Going solely by the legalistic angle and creation date of your account, of course :) )
Where in the EULA does it say that I'm obliged to avoid multiplayer features if I have concerns about how my data is handled by third parties? As for the new account old friend comment maybe you need a tin foil hat to go with your kool aid, I dunno dude.
 
Where in the EULA does it say that I'm obliged to avoid multiplayer features if I have concerns about how my data is handled by third parties? As for the new account old friend comment maybe you need a tin foil hat to go with your kool aid, I dunno dude.
I have no idea what Kool aid is dude-ess...

The tin-foil hat is fine, hand made by dusky maidens...

So, care to actually reply to the question rather than retort with inanities?
 
That last one is impossible unfortunately. There is nothing I can do as a pro pvper to protect a paper ship from another pro pvper, much as I would want to. If the other player hangs around after destroying aforementioned paper ship then I'll destroy them, but they usually don't. I can't kill the enemy before it kills the hauler and I can't finish them off fast enough to prevent them waking out. Occasionally, the innocent ship has enough engineering to survive for long enough to put up some defense and then I have time to make them think better of it, but if that's the case, then they also don't really need an escort. It's a bit of a conundrum, really, we've looked into how we can offer this service (escorts on demand), and of course there's no easy way to do that either.

Build better ships, everybody.

If not for yourself, at least do it for the good guys lol. They can't help you if you aren't willing to help yourself.

If your ship is awful, all they can really do is interdict and keep people busy, in hopes that you might sneak by.
 
Build better ships, everybody.

If not for yourself, at least do it for the good guys lol. They can't help you if you aren't willing to help yourself.

If your ship is awful, all they can really do is interdict and keep people busy, in hopes that you might sneak by.

Frankly, the "good guys" should just blast those terrible ships too. If you won't help yourself, why should I bother?
 

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"What constitutes personal data?
The GDPR applies to ‘personal data’, meaning any information relating to an identifiable person who can be directly or indirectly identified in particular by reference to an identifier. This definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, including name, identification number, location data or online identifier, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people. "

https://eugdpr.org/the-regulation/gdpr-faqs/

It is not a question of whether or not I can be doxxed as a result of the information held through EDR - rather that the data is identifiable to specific individuals and as such constitutes personal data. The data is not anonymised and used as such, it references individuals through their CMDR name and is identifiable to that CMDR name. This happens to anyone scanned by someone running EDR, so identifiable data is being collected and stored of any individual scanned in open regardless of whether or not they have agreed or consented to third parties collecting such information. Whereas other third parties that collect CMDR information through EDMC such as Inara and EDSM have user agreements and a specific API sync so that the user on whom the data is being collected has consented as such.
 
I am not disputing your point but one thing I want to add is that as databases get sold and coalesce, what constitutes personally identifiable information is changing.
Well, if anyone can identify me by my game name, with information given out to 3rd parties I'd be very amused.

As you say, databases are compounded by information we so happily publish, as well as by transactions we make. I guess that is why I avoid 'Social Media' and any site that wishes for 'data' irrelevent to its purpose. No criticism to you, what you say is factual :)
 
"What constitutes personal data?
The GDPR applies to ‘personal data’, meaning any information relating to an identifiable person who can be directly or indirectly identified in particular by reference to an identifier. This definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, including name, identification number, location data or online identifier, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people. "

https://eugdpr.org/the-regulation/gdpr-faqs/

It is not a question of whether or not I can be doxxed as a result of the information held through EDR - rather that the data is identifiable to specific individuals and as such constitutes personal data. The data is not anonymised and used as such, it references individuals through their CMDR name and is identifiable to that CMDR name. This happens to anyone scanned by someone running EDR, so identifiable data is being collected and stored of any individual scanned in open regardless of whether or not they have agreed or consented to third parties collecting such information. Whereas other third parties that collect CMDR information through EDMC such as Inara and EDSM have user agreements and a specific API sync so that the user on whom the data is being collected has consented as such.

So it's the principle of the thing but ultimately meaningless.
 
"What constitutes personal data?
The GDPR applies to ‘personal data’, meaning any information relating to an identifiable person who can be directly or indirectly identified in particular by reference to an identifier. This definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, including name, identification number, location data or online identifier, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people. "

https://eugdpr.org/the-regulation/gdpr-faqs/

It is not a question of whether or not I can be doxxed as a result of the information held through EDR - rather that the data is identifiable to specific individuals and as such constitutes personal data. The data is not anonymised and used as such, it references individuals through their CMDR name and is identifiable to that CMDR name. This happens to anyone scanned by someone running EDR, so identifiable data is being collected and stored of any individual scanned in open regardless of whether or not they have agreed or consented to third parties collecting such information. Whereas other third parties that collect CMDR information through EDMC such as Inara and EDSM have user agreements and a specific API sync so that the user on whom the data is being collected has consented as such.
I guess you don't use 'Social Media' either, then :)
 
"What constitutes personal data?
The GDPR applies to ‘personal data’, meaning any information relating to an identifiable person who can be directly or indirectly identified in particular by reference to an identifier. This definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, including name, identification number, location data or online identifier, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people. "

https://eugdpr.org/the-regulation/gdpr-faqs/

It is not a question of whether or not I can be doxxed as a result of the information held through EDR - rather that the data is identifiable to specific individuals and as such constitutes personal data. The data is not anonymised and used as such, it references individuals through their CMDR name and is identifiable to that CMDR name. This happens to anyone scanned by someone running EDR, so identifiable data is being collected and stored of any individual scanned in open regardless of whether or not they have agreed or consented to third parties collecting such information. Whereas other third parties that collect CMDR information through EDMC such as Inara and EDSM have user agreements and a specific API sync so that the user on whom the data is being collected has consented as such.
I don't agree with this definition, your in game name is public domain. Anyone playing the game has free access to it. Owning the game has no implied privilege, anyone can 'own the game', therefore, definitely not covered.
 
I don't agree with this definition, your in game name is public domain. Anyone playing the game has free access to it. Owning the game has no implied privilege, anyone can 'own the game', therefore, definitely not covered.
The content provided by our esteemed member is reminiscent of equivalent legalese eschewed by a now banned member, I just smile sweetly when I read such trivialities, perhaps we should all do the same :D
 
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