General / Off-Topic Recycle or Die! (the elite environmental thread)

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I'm starting to think you have dementia, I even split your post to reply more precisely.



Yep, you have dementia.



I might pay attention to whatever you post if you are more coherent and on the point, somehow, I know that won't happen...
I'm not going to agree with your obviously manipulated cognitive dissonance. Just block me. Thanks.
 
Oh I have posted evidence here and in other threads, that you forgot about it is another issue.
And on trawling through your history for links supporting the derogatory and inflammatory rubbish you post, I'm not seeing a significant number. If you must argue with everyone, provide supporting evidence.
 
And on trawling through your history for links supporting the derogatory and inflammatory rubbish you post, I'm not seeing a significant number. If you must argue with everyone, provide supporting evidence.

Not all false statements need sources to be disproven, I won't (because I don't need to) post links to supportive sources when dealing with simple logical mistakes.
 
Not all false statements need sources to be disproven, I won't (because I don't need to) post links to supportive sources when dealing with simple logical mistakes.
Have you stopped to consider why your "Like (+1)" ratio is so low, or why people seem to ignore you?
 
So, ignoring the evidence about feedback to your own posts as well. Interesting lack of self awareness.

There was no current argument on the table, all I did was look at the evidence and ask you a question...

If you want to be my armchair psychologist that's fine by me but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand so I suggest you drop the ball before the OP or a mod slaps it out of your hand.
 
Then quit arguing for the sake of it and bring something useful to the table. Show me your evidence.

Quite. I've yet to see anything credible from you in this thread so far. You need to step up or shut up (is that the phrase the 'right' loves?).

This is a thread about environmental issues, and to be frank i have no idea what your purpose is here other than to pepper the thread with off topic stuff and personal attacks against many of the posters here. If you have an issue with the science of one of the articles about an environmental issue then please do show your scientific evidence to counter it. I'm not interested in your opinion, show me the facts from a credible source, and then you'll be making your first contribution :)

I won't talk to you again until, in your own words, you bring something on topic and useful to the thread.

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Back on topic, we have futher evidence about the threat to insect life (and that means trouble for us as well):

‘Insect apocalypse’ poses risk to all life on Earth, conservationists warn':


The “unnoticed insect apocalypse” should set alarm bells ringing, according to conservationists, who said that without a halt there will be profound consequences for humans and all life on Earth.

A new report suggested half of all insects may have been lost since 1970 as a result of the destruction of nature and heavy use of pesticides. The report said 40% of the 1million known species of insect are facing extinction.

The analysis, written by one of the UK’s leading ecologists, has a particular focus on the UK, whose insects are the most studied in the world. It said 23 bee and wasp species have become extinct in the last century, while the number of pesticide applications has approximately doubled in the last 25 years.

UK butterflies that specialise in particular habitats have fallen 77% since the mid-1970s and generalists have declined 46%, the report said. There are also knock-on effects on other animals, such as the spotted flycatcher which only eats flying insects. Its populations have dropped by 93% since 1967.

But conservationists said that insect populations can be rescued, by introducing firm targets to cut pesticide use and making urban parks and gardens more wildlife friendly. Scientists said insects are essential for all ecosystems, as pollinators, food for other creatures, and recyclers of nutrients.

“We can’t be sure, but in terms of numbers, we may have lost 50% or more of our insects since 1970 – it could be much more,” said Prof Dave Goulson, at the University of Sussex, UK, who wrote the report for the Wildlife Trusts. “We just don’t know, which is scary. If we don’t stop the decline of our insects there will be profound consequences for all life on earth [and] for human wellbeing.”

Insects are like the 'life blood' of the whole eco system. Without them there is no agriculture, or food chain for anything. And the threat is not just from pesticide over-use, but AGW as well as a few studies have shown some insects have difficulty adapting to fast climate change.
 
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Meh, you clowns are welcome to your fear mongering. I've posted multiple links but you've made it clear you're not interested in data that might disrupt your mainstream catastrophic CO2 consensus narrative.

Some youtube videos or wikipedia links aren't data, sources? Perhaps (especially wikipedia) but sources != data.
 
Yeah when you know the majority of anti AGW media has been funded and created by pro Big Oil sources, with questionable/non relevant peer reviewed science on the subject you just can't take it seriously.

AGW is real, it is recent (in geological timescales) it is a threat to human civilization, as we are starting to see from multiple unfolding yearly disasters from all around the globe. Only the insanely blind and illogical can hold the opinion AGW is all fake. The science does not tell that narrative, and even bad science has a problem holding coherent counter arguments in the face of the overwhelming evidence showing it is real, and a real concern.

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In the mean time more houses are going to be built in flood plains in the UK:

'Thousands of homes to be built in flood zones':


What a waste of time and resources and what a stressful problem for those poor people suckered into buying them. This kind of stuff should have government level over-sight to ensure it does not happen. It's just crazy.
 
'European Investment Bank to phase out fossil fuel financing':


The European Investment Bank has agreed to phase out its multibillion-euro financing for fossil fuels within the next two years to become the world’s first ‘“climate bank”.

The bank will end its financing of oil, gas, and coal projects after 2021, a policy that will make the EU’s lending arm the first multilateral lender to rule out financing for projects that contribute to the climate crisis.

The decision to stem the flow of capital into fossil fuel projects has been welcomed by green groups as an important step towards the EU’s aim to be carbon-neutral by 2050.

The EIB, the world’s largest multilateral financial institution, described its decision as a “quantum leap” in ambition. “Climate is the top issue on the political agenda of our time,” said the bank’s president, Werner Hoyer. “We will stop financing fossil fuels and launch the most ambitious climate investment strategy of any public financial institution anywhere.”

And the rest of the finnancial markets will follow as the slow realisation sinks in that investment in fossil fuels is a bad bet in the not too distant future. It is now very high risk with just growing lower returns.
 
'European Investment Bank to phase out fossil fuel financing':




And the rest of the finnancial markets will follow as the slow realisation sinks in that investment in fossil fuels is a bad bet in the not too distant future. It is now very high risk with just growing lower returns.
Excellent news here.

And in the meantime I think polluters need to be even more taxed financially (and also the SUV owners ;))
 
Well in many cases most car owners have been 'duped' by the car sellers. SUV's are sold as 'safe cars for the family' and what family does not want to be safe to their children? So at this point i think ALL the pressure needs to go on the big business side of the equation, and actually i'd prefer to see government incentives (money) go to people to trade in SUV's or Diesel cars with bigger incentives to switch to EV vehicles.
 
'The UK needs 1.5bn new trees to tackle the climate crisis – a Northumberland project is showing one way forward':


“This whole area wants to be a wood,” says Edward Milbank, sweeping his arm across the former hill farm in Northumberland. Small saplings of birch have invaded the cleared ground, but many more trees are being pushed into the soil by hand.

The bracken and rhododendron that had overrun the hillside took heavy machinery three months to rip out. “When you disturb the soil, it becomes a wood very quickly,” says Milbank.

“But the Forestry Commission forced us to put in Scots pine as well. The entire area could be birch without spending a penny, but you have to be seen to be doing something to justify the [planting grants].”

This former sheep and cattle farm, Doddington North, is being converted into England’s largest private new woodland in 30 years, with 680,000 trees being planted over the 350 hectares. Moving down the hill, Milbank points and says: “The reason we were able to raise the investment is that – sitka spruce.”

The commercial timber tree will occupy 40% of the land, with native broadleaf trees such as birch, alder, aspen and oak on about a third and the rest managed as open grassland. Milbank, whose company Pennine Forestry is running the project, hopes it will encourage more wildlife, such as the red squirrels that live in an adjoining wood, and the kestrels that already fly overhead searching for the shrews that dart between tussocks.

The UK needs 1.5bn more trees, according to the government’s official climate change advisers, to suck up carbon dioxide and help restore wildlife. But the question of how they will be delivered – private or public, commercial or wild – remains open, despite the pioneering effort at Doddington North, which should be completed this winter.

I'll see you around with my spade somewhere :)
 
Well in many cases most car owners have been 'duped' by the car sellers. SUV's are sold as 'safe cars for the family' and what family does not want to be safe to their children? So at this point i think ALL the pressure needs to go on the big business side of the equation, and actually i'd prefer to see government incentives (money) go to people to trade in SUV's or Diesel cars with bigger incentives to switch to EV vehicles.
There are numerous ways to quantify "safe" in regards to vehicle choice, but as a general catch-all phrase I would agree that a modern day Chevy Suburban (for instance) is a very safe vehicle to put one's family into and on the highway. Not only safe but I can't really think of another vehicle that ticks as many boxes in that all important department. When my family has to be transported somewhere their safety and comfort are big factors in my thinking, whilst concerns about my larger responsibility to the planet don't even enter the equation.
 
There are numerous ways to quantify "safe" in regards to vehicle choice, but as a general catch-all phrase I would agree that a modern day Chevy Suburban (for instance) is a very safe vehicle to put one's family into and on the highway. Not only safe but I can't really think of another vehicle that ticks as many boxes in that all important department. When my family has to be transported somewhere their safety and comfort are big factors in my thinking, whilst concerns about my larger responsibility to the planet don't even enter the equation.
Do not forget that there is always bigger than you, my poor Jason.

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