Windows 10 - finally time to move?

[Masta Squidge]

windows 10 is a resource hog and in my opinion hasn't reached a point of stability yet. stick with windows 7pro for now. consider migrating when the software and games you use demand it and you can see real program degradation.

Again. Tell that to my mother's over 10 year old desktop with 2 gb of ram that was built for windows xp that works perfectly fine for her uses and even handles high quality YouTube videos up to 1080p 60.

We may have very different idea of resource hogging.

 

[Morbad]

Y'all mad about 10 but my mother has windows 10 running on a dual core celeron I built for $400 a decade ago and it works fine. I'll never be convinced 10 is a problem in and of itself, but rather that the hardware and driver configuration is likely the source of most issues.

Windows 10 is objectively the buggiest incarnation of Windows NT there has ever been and it has generally become worse over the last few years. There have been major systemic problems with Microsoft's QA since they moved to the "Windows as a service" model.

Most complaints still come down to configuration or user error, but Windows 10 has a huge number of problems in and of itself.

windows 10 is a resource hog and in my opinion hasn't reached a point of stability yet. stick with windows 7pro for now. consider migrating when the software and games you use demand it and you can see real program degradation.

Unfortunately, the way most people use their systems, foregoing security updates probably isn't a viable option.

I really do not like Windows 10, but I'm still migrating most of my systems to either Windows 10 (if it's going to be gamed on) or Linux (for any other purpose).

 

[Para Handy]

Core2Duo is 64-bit. I ran 64-bit Windows 7 and Ubuntu on such machine for a long time.
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Yes indeed - but the rest wasn't - so I built a new machine rather than change the bits.

 

[rekurzion]

Again. Tell that to my mother's over 10 year old desktop with 2 gb of ram that was built for windows xp that works perfectly fine for her uses and even handles high quality YouTube videos up to 1080p 60.

We may have very different idea of resource hogging.

windows 10 after just starting up and no programs running consumes upwards of 5.5 gb of ram. not to mention its constant chattering programs vying for attention ever before you open your first program.

a similar computer your mom has bought today and she would be complaining about how slow the computer is after shes been using it a while. windows 10 is leaky.

 

[Clicker]

windows 10 after just starting up and no programs running consumes upwards of 5.5 gb of ram. not to mention its constant chattering programs vying for attention ever before you open your first program.

a similar computer your mom has bought today and she would be complaining about how slow the computer is after shes been using it a while. windows 10 is leaky.

Ahhh, well, that also depends on what else you have installed.
Just because you cannot see an app running, doesn't mean it, or part of it (like pre-loaders) are not.

Try using "autoruns" from sysinternals to see what I mean.

Autoruns - Sysinternals

See what programs are configured to startup automatically when your system boots and you login.

docs.microsoft.com

@Masta Squidge mum's PC likely has a very limited number of superfluous apps installed which is why it's still viable.

Clicker

 

[Captain Willard]

I'll be keeping my two old game machines. 16g, quad core 3.8ghz I7 intel, 4g 760gtx. With all the games packed on there from Win 98 to the present.
I plan to build a new machine with new tech for win 10 and the newest games that direct x is now supporting and ray tracing.
All the games and mods on the win 7 machines work flawlessly.
Why would I move them to a OS that is iffy, if the old games can be run at all.

 

[galileimargarita]

windows 10 is a resource hog and in my opinion hasn't reached a point of stability yet. stick with windows 7pro for now. consider migrating when the software and games you use demand it and you can see real program degradation.

So I don't understand why Microsoft won't support Windows 7 in 2020.

 

[Raino]

So I don't understand why Microsoft won't support Windows 7 in 2020.

to force the "Windows as a Service" business model

at least, by now, they do not try to sell "Local Storage as a Service" like Apple


P.S. Reality sometimes is catching up amazingly fast, just been informed about: with the newest version of Win10 MS will no more accept local accounts at fresh install, Users have to create a Microsoft account to use it - next step to WAAS

 

[Masta Squidge]

Ahhh, well, that also depends on what else you have installed.
Just because you cannot see an app running, doesn't mean it, or part of it (like pre-loaders) are not.

Try using "autoruns" from sysinternals to see what I mean.

Autoruns - Sysinternals

See what programs are configured to startup automatically when your system boots and you login.

docs.microsoft.com

@Masta Squidge mum's PC likely has a very limited number of superfluous apps installed which is why it's still viable.

Clicker

I mean.

I installed everything, so yes. If you have a bunch of superfluous apps installed that's on the user not the OS though innit?

 

[Masta Squidge]

windows 10 after just starting up and no programs running consumes upwards of 5.5 gb of ram. not to mention its constant chattering programs vying for attention ever before you open your first program.

a similar computer your mom has bought today and she would be complaining about how slow the computer is after shes been using it a while. windows 10 is leaky.

Yeah. You can fix that ram problem pretty easily bud.

Not sure how your logic works that an ancient piece of junk running windows 10 is somehow better than a new PC running windows 10 though. If that's true of the new one, why is the old one not suffering this same fate when using the same OS?

 

[Burke]

I have been resolute so far with remaining on Windows 7pro but am now wondering if the time has finally come to shift to Windows 10.

Ever thought of buying another HD and having both? Makes it easy if you decide 10 isnt for you (user choice!) Personally im not too fussed about support for 7 ending, more chance of a limpit giving up its rock.

Edit: Autoruns is an excellent app and is very small. Even if you have no desire to fiddle with anything its worth looking at what your PC is doing and autoruns will lay it all out for you. That and malwarebytes anti malware (free version obviously ) should really be on everybodys PC.

 

[MickyG1982]

Yeah. You can fix that ram problem pretty easily bud.

Not sure how your logic works that an ancient piece of junk running windows 10 is somehow better than a new PC running windows 10 though. If that's true of the new one, why is the old one not suffering this same fate when using the same OS?

The problem isn't Windows 10, the problem is what hardware manufacturers do with it on their systems.

On my system (in fact any pre-built system) it was easier to create restore DVD's in case I needed to set the system back to factory then wipe it and do a clean Windows 10 install. The difference in responsiveness was significant. The cause? Never really found out, but on the manufacturers install the hard drive on my lappy was constantly at high usage, that slowed down the system as a whole.

The gold standard is to have it installed on an SSD. Having an SSD as a boot drive is as different as night and day on any system.

 

[galileimargarita]

I have moved to Windows 10(From Windows 7),whether it's old Windows 7 or not, that's hard to do,my colleague's old version just couldn't be upgraded to Windows 10.I followed this program: https://www.windows10passwordreset.com/free-upgrade-to-windows-10.html

 

[Zieman]

Slapped a clean install of Windows 10 pro on my old laptop today, running Windows 7 pro until that.
Old Windows 7 pro OEM key was still accepted.

 

[STRONTIUM DOG]

good luck either way personally I would install classic shell straight away as it makes the system behave more familiar like 7 from the get go http://www.classicshell.net/

 

[Zieman]

Slapped a clean install of Windows 10 pro on my old laptop today, running Windows 7 pro until that.
Old Windows 7 pro OEM key was still accepted.

Also bit the bullet on Windows 10 on my gaming PC.
Started with install over my Windows 7 Ultimate, preserving files & settings.
Not being an expert in modern computing, but somehow I've always managed to get & keep my PCs working well, with the generous help of Google etc. This time there were more hoops than usually.

To cut the long story short:
I ended doing a clean install by using the Microsof Media creation tool on USB stick.
My old W7 Ultimate key was accepted, no problem.
Got all my needed programs running, E: D seems to work fine (stats & settings transefferd successfully), pretty content so far (even with the compromise of not using a discrete sound card anymore).

In retrospect, trying to 'upgrade' to W10 over a 6-year old install of W7 was ever going to be an excercise of frustration at best, total failure at worst.
Like already stated, did a clean install in the end. After lots of said frustration.

 

[Robert Ramirez]

Is this the last moment?I've heard some Windows 7 users ask if Microsoft still offers a free Windows 10 upgrade after the 14th,before I upgraded to Windows10, I was repelling it because I knew it would require me to do any updates, which was a huge hassle,maybe that is why some people reject Windows 10.
I upgraded to Windows 10 last month and banned Windows 10 updates,my cousin made me do that,i'm starting to like Windows 10.Then again,about how to upgrade to Win 10,people without any experience are better refer to methods provided by Microsoft.

 

[CMDR X]

good luck either way personally I would install classic shell straight away as it makes the system behave more familiar like 7 from the get go http://www.classicshell.net/

+1
While you're installing the awesome ClassicShell, go ahead and DeCrapify it too:

Windows 10/11 Decrapifier

Description !PLEASE READ THIS AND THE SCRIPT ITSELF BEFORE RUNNING IT! This way, no surprises! Windows 10/11 Decrapifier A cleanup script for Windows 10 18XX/19XX/2XXX+ aiming to get a decluttered default experience on regular Pro or Enterprise installs. Also sets most privacy settings to...

community.spiceworks.com

I run it on every Win 10 PC that I come across.
X.

 

[STRONTIUM DOG]

oh yea the decraper too forgot that one...…………………..

 

[JetsonRING]

I have been resolute so far with remaining on Windows 7pro but am now wondering if the time has finally come to shift to Windows 10. I would be interested to hear some informed opinions about methodology (upgrade or clean install), version (home or pro) and pitfalls (how to avoid bloatware, intrusive monitoring etc).
Apart from E D - I use three flight simulators which have a LOT of addons so a clean install would mean a lot of work re-installing. The other consideration is that I have twin computers networked - any issues about networking (both need W10 or can I keep W7pro on one)?
I am not a tyro in computing but I have not kept up with Windows 10 since the WX nag issue yonks ago.
Cheers

Windows 7 is end-of-life as of tomorrow and if you call Microsoft asking for support all you will get back is laughter.
I would install Pro but then, I am a pro (admin). You might, just might be able to get Windows 10 for free, see this article.
A clean install is always best. Yes, it is a lot of work but it removes any bloatware, hidden cookies, report-ware, viruses or "extra data" that might have been installed over the years, cleans up and defragments the hard-drive and erases your browser history, too.
Perform a full backup before upgrading, just in case and once you have the new OS completely installed, updated, software installed, etc. perform another full backup.
I use the built-in Windows Security feature and have not had any problems, I don't even run a 3rd party antivirus as the Windows solution does both antivirus and anti-malware.
Windows 10 computers will network just fine with Windows 7 computers, networking has little to do with the OS but, see my first comment. o7
PS: If you do not have one and can afford it, this would be a really good time to install a Solid-State Drive (SSD). You will notice a great improvement in general drive performance (programs loading/files loading) and free up your old spinning-disk HDD for file-storage and/or backups, somewhat reducing your risk of data loss.