Everyone's fine with locks on their doors until they lock themselves out of the house.
Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.
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Shrug I did say the techniques may not be viable, but alot would depend on the selected algorithms/techniques and the resulting CPU/GPU/Network/Server loading factors.
Possible? Yes.
Feasible? Unknown.
Well, I was talking pretty clearly and specifically about the context within the game and you immediately said how it could be a different person IRL so you're not even addressing what I said a little bit.
But your solution that somebody who has been accused of something should just change their name is a doozy. Let's just nix the concept of consequence on either side of an accusation, I guess?
Does not matter, the owner of the account is ultimately responsible for the actions of users of said account.
Yes and no - at a loss of account progress or by purchasing a new account (perhaps). Actual, changing of names outside of these limitations is a notionally rare occurrence that the FD support team do sometimes facilitate at their discretion.
No, not really. "CMDR Haxor1234" is a name of an account, not a person. Persons (human beings) can have a number of things like properties, healthcare insurances, feelings, etc. and yes, "gameplay experience". Accounts don't.
Taking another swing at replying to that post? But you're still trying to change the context this time, too.
Changing your CMDR name is literally as easy as opening a ticket. Well, probably you cannot do it every other day, but maybe their precious gameplay experience won't suffer too much damage if they cannot use hacks for a couple of weeks.
So you think if somebody is reported for using hacks, they can get around it by changing their commander name?
I also am pretty amazed that in this thread about griefers, in this conversation about naming and shaming griefers, two people have decided this conversation was instead entirely about cheaters using hacks.
Perhaps, but FD's stated support position is name changes are only done for rare cases and good reasons (I have changed my own account name once for reasons unrelated to this topic).
Whether they can change their account name or not is pretty moot - but ultimately, "Naming and Shaming" is still an EULA/CoC breach whether you like it or not. There is no counter to that even if you can not understand the rational behind the prohibition.
[EDIT]I doubt a name change would stop FD from linking reported incidents with the account involved.[/EDIT]
probably….
if I would not mean the guy that still was at Shin today messing ´round. Thank you for showing the Problem here: I did not even Mention anyones Name, but pointed exactly to one gamer who does cheat since days.
And People discuss About "naming and shaming"....
that is a mess.
Well we might say you're lucky, because the mechanics itself is not much of a secret, there is at least one trainer created specifically for that purpose. There used to be a link to (or screenshot of? I'm not sure) their discord a while ago.
On the other hand, if you were interested in who the cheater was, well that would be pretty much a mission impossible, because all that can be known is an account name, which is not the same thing.
In what way did I do anything to show... whatever it is you are trying to imply here? Seems like you're just attempting to misrepresent my statement.
Did you report this cheater? Did you block them? Or did you just come on the forums and complain about it? Have you done nothing about it, and complained that nothing's been done?
The problem is that all EULA/CoC breaches have one answer - block and/or report.
That includes (but is not necessarily limited to):-
- Harassment via communication (prohibited with most on-line services)
- Griefing (a form of in-game Harassment that may or may not include communication)
- Cheating/Hacking/Bug-Exploiting
- Naming and Shaming (a form of out-of-game Harassment)
I think that might be acceptable under the terms FD have set us, but you would need to be diligent in your video editing to ensure that identifying information could not be retrieved from it. No doubt you would still need sufficient HUD data to illustrate what you are trying to show.
I’m going to have to give that a hearty LOL. Rage mobs and cancel culture are just about all social media has to offer.
Social media has become a sick and deplorable mechanism since it's original intent. Even back in the early days of the internet (pre-Broadband in the UK) there were issues with degenerate elements of the on-line community, but the vast majority of the internet now is pure sensationalism and button-pushing with little regard for reasonable conduct. It is neigh on impossible to police it 100% but at least some are trying to.
But back on topic...
FD have made their intent clear with regards to what code of conduct it's community members are expected to adhere to - I suggest people read it, and ask FD for clarification if they are still confused.
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Personally i still think you are ignoring an important part. ... FD made a game where clearly a large part of it is "influencers" posting videos of people playing the game. By playing in open you are imo giving consent that you are in a public place and that you may be seen in a video uploaded to social media.
These actions could be you doing anything in the actual game....... How people choose to interpret such a video is up to them imo.
So after a reread through the EULA, the code of conduct is only mentioned in 7.3.3 (relevant subsections below)
It reads that they can use in game records to hold you accountable to the CoC. Which is fine. Again, this is limited to communications on Frontier owned and operated products/channels.
The CoC is actually much more ambiguous than some are representing here. I think that Naming and Shaming may actually apply to sharing someone's real name (not the in game name) but i could be wrong on that, as its not very clear.
Now the fun part is, ganking/ greifing may be AS "ILLEGAL" AS naming and shaming under the CoC.
Now the wording is very important here. For people not in the law business, AND vs OR can often be a vital distinction. the harassment policy can be read as: "This is defined... as ... malicious targeting of an individual". To me, ganking would fall under this definition as well.
TL;DR The EULA only apply to frontier owned and operated products/channels; and they are written in such a way that they can enforce (or not enforce) them however they want to.
7.3.1 The Game and/or Online Features may allow communications between users by means including but not limited to text and voice. When using such features you must use common sense and good manners, your behaviour, conduct and communications must be considerate to other users and you must not be directly or indirectly offensive, threatening, harassing or bullying to others or violate any applicable laws including but not limited to anti-discrimination legislation based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender or sexual orientation.
7.3.2 Frontier reserves the right, but not the obligation, to record, monitor and retain all or some of the communications described in clause 7.3.1 in order to safeguard other users and our community. You acknowledge that Frontier shall have the right, but not the obligation, to pre-screen, refuse, move or remove any content available through the Game or the Online Features, including, but not limited to, content that violates any law or this EULA, the Privacy Policy, or any other applicable legal or contractual obligation.
7.3.3 By accepting these terms and conditions you hereby agree that any information collected as described in Clause 7.3.2 that is deemed to be illegal or to contravene the rights of Frontier, our employees, customers, or any other individual during Use of the Game or the Online Features may be reported to the police or other appropriate authorities, and; ii) agree to be bound by the Community Codes of Conduct for the Game, the latest version of which may be viewed here.
7.3.2 Frontier reserves the right, but not the obligation, to record, monitor and retain all or some of the communications described in clause 7.3.1 in order to safeguard other users and our community. You acknowledge that Frontier shall have the right, but not the obligation, to pre-screen, refuse, move or remove any content available through the Game or the Online Features, including, but not limited to, content that violates any law or this EULA, the Privacy Policy, or any other applicable legal or contractual obligation.
7.3.3 By accepting these terms and conditions you hereby agree that any information collected as described in Clause 7.3.2 that is deemed to be illegal or to contravene the rights of Frontier, our employees, customers, or any other individual during Use of the Game or the Online Features may be reported to the police or other appropriate authorities, and; ii) agree to be bound by the Community Codes of Conduct for the Game, the latest version of which may be viewed here.
It reads that they can use in game records to hold you accountable to the CoC. Which is fine. Again, this is limited to communications on Frontier owned and operated products/channels.
The CoC is actually much more ambiguous than some are representing here. I think that Naming and Shaming may actually apply to sharing someone's real name (not the in game name) but i could be wrong on that, as its not very clear.
NAMING AND SHAMING
The act of publicly naming an individual or group of players for the purpose of ridiculing or making accusations is prohibited. We do not allow such discussions, or any other method of communication deemed to be naming and shaming on Frontier channels.
If you wish to report the conduct of another player, please do so privately using the in-game methods we provide. Alternatively, contact our customer service or forum moderation team for assistance.
The act of publicly naming an individual or group of players for the purpose of ridiculing or making accusations is prohibited. We do not allow such discussions, or any other method of communication deemed to be naming and shaming on Frontier channels.
If you wish to report the conduct of another player, please do so privately using the in-game methods we provide. Alternatively, contact our customer service or forum moderation team for assistance.
Now the fun part is, ganking/ greifing may be AS "ILLEGAL" AS naming and shaming under the CoC.
HARASSMENT
We do not tolerate harassment within our community or our games. This is defined as being insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments. This also includes the prolonged, extensive, and/or malicious targeting of an individual or group of individuals through Frontier-owned platforms for the purposes of disruption or agitation.
We do not tolerate harassment within our community or our games. This is defined as being insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments. This also includes the prolonged, extensive, and/or malicious targeting of an individual or group of individuals through Frontier-owned platforms for the purposes of disruption or agitation.
Now the wording is very important here. For people not in the law business, AND vs OR can often be a vital distinction. the harassment policy can be read as: "This is defined... as ... malicious targeting of an individual". To me, ganking would fall under this definition as well.
TL;DR The EULA only apply to frontier owned and operated products/channels; and they are written in such a way that they can enforce (or not enforce) them however they want to.