General / Off-Topic How Alien 3 should have been....
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Blomkamp was planning an Alien movie?
Damn. That would have been awesome.
I'll have to check out the directors cut.
But let's talk about District 9 instead.
But let's talk about District 9 instead.
They should be back by now. They promised they'll be back.I'll have to check out the directors cut.
But let's talk about District 9 instead.
Loved both District 9 and Elysium, Chappie wasn't bad either but not on par with the first 2. He seemed to have entered hibernation since then, no new movies on the radar under his direction.
I actually consider Elysium to be the weakest of the three. But it's also true that Blomkamp's "weak film" is still way better than anything Hollywood hurls out these days.
Mostly? It undid the “happy” ending of Aliens.
Legit question.
Characters:
They threw away Hicks, killed Ripley, and introduced a prison that nobody cared about. By the end of that movie, no audience member has any connection to the survivors.
Politics:
What happenned to Weyland Yutani's plans to bring the Alien back to Earth? What is the military doing about losing the Sulaco? Do we just ignore the underlying threat of the first 2 movies, that this thing can get to Earth because of Coorporate greed and to be used as a Military weapon?
Adversary:
Impossible to top swarms of Aliens, or beat the climax of the giant Queen, so the "new" alien was dubious and anticlimactic, poorly shown, and... how was it different exactly? More importantly, why was it different? No plot point was served. We ALREADY saw a single threat in an enclosed space in the first movie.
Setting:
Ugly, claustrophobic, and irrational. Why spend money to build offworld prisons, and space travel on convicts?
Secondary Characters:
All grimy bald men, hard to tell apart in bad lighting. The exact opposite of Hudson, Vasquez, Goreman, Apone, Hicks, Spunkmeier, -- see? I remember those guys. I liked them.
Lore:
Did we find out anything new about the origins of the Alien? NO.
How about the crashed spaceship and the Engineer? NO.
What about the issue of androids and artificial life? NO.
Spaceships? New vehicles? NO.
Cool new guns? NO.
Wardrobe? Prison coveralls!
Pfft. What a waste of a franchise.
Fan Made?
Isn't this just videoing the comic adaptaion of the rejected Alien III script written by William Gibson?
Isn't this just videoing the comic adaptaion of the rejected Alien III script written by William Gibson?
While I did love it for many reasons, mostly actually BECAUSE of them killing off the "happy ending" in the previous movie - it reinforced the miserable existence of this poor woman (ripley) since her first meeting this alien. That gritiness really appealed to me and grounded everything about her for me.
However the theatrical release cut a lot of scenes that tied the movie together and it just didn't knit right. To a lesser extent the theatrical release of Aliens suffered from this also and the directors cut added more scenes that told the story better.
People I think wanted Ripley to have that happy ending and ultimately didn't like that Alien 3 utterly destroyed that.
I think Michael Biehn summed it up best - he charged them full fee for showing his face for 2 secs, because he was so aggrieved that they basically erased the 2nd movie. Funny that Star Wars didn't learn the lesson 2 decades later.
Excellent Dr.Watson let me just add that they didn’t follow the lore, and there actually was a version with a totally different plot, however it was scrapped for some reason and we got what we got, something that wasn’t Alien per say, just another horror movie set in the Alien universe, SW looking at you too...
I really didn't like alien 3 as it made the whole premise of newt and Hicks surviving in 2 redundant.
It wasn't a bad film on its own, but as a sequal to number two, it sucked.
It wasn't a bad film on its own, but as a sequal to number two, it sucked.
This point in particular is incorrect. Weyland Yutani DID send a team to extract the alien, that's the whole reason why Ripley killed herself by diving into the lead pit.
I believe that is mainly because many people preferred the "action scifi" tone of the 2nd movie over the "claustrophobic horror" tone of the first, and the 3rd was much closer to the first than the 2nd. I'm not saying that is good or bad, I actually loved all 3.
I loved both the first and the second.
I have nothing against the tone of the third, that was fine for me, but in my view it crapped all over the second by killing of two of the survivors at the beginning, it could have been much more interesting movie if they both survived.
As I said, if number three was a standalone film, it was perfectly good, but not as a sequal to number 2.