In all this time you never come to the thought: "maybe I should wake out"
10 whole minutes, geez, enough time to cross the whole bubble.
Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.
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10 whole minutes, geez, enough time to cross the whole bubble.
Even with engineers you have a decent Chance to get away a gank. Just look up Rinzler's "Git Gud Trading in Open". That jewel shows perfectly how to survive unengineered.
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In all this time you never come to the thought: "maybe I should wake out"
10 whole minutes, geez, enough time to cross the whole bubble.
It was just a flesh wound.
The Black Knight always triumphs!
Why? People cant have fun from casual gameplay, the way they want?
Except these a-holes are waiting for newbs in engineering locations, and around starting syatems so this argument is invalid. Also there are other build not just combat ones. Should i sacrafice 10ly of range because we have some "basement dwellers" around?
No. We humans have reached top of the foodchain thanks to fact that we evaluate things and we are capable of discovering patterns, making generalisations. If i see someone behaving as a-hole i dont need to get to know that person better, i just judge him based on what he has done.
I think what Tommy whated to say is that he dont get how people enjoying spoiling others game. I cant get it either.
But looking how many people(?) got triggered, meaby he was right? :>
edit: ok ok, surely not all of you, but for sure we have few gankers "dwelling" around in this thread. arent we?
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No, people can of course play how they want. The issue is when they come on the forums to moan, get advice on how to survive the situation they were in, and then either complain about the advice or insist their casual 1 hour a week should give them a safe pass in Open, everywhere. (exaggerated for effect)
I'm flying unegineered ships around the starter systems and have been to engineers in the past and have avoided gankers, so it is possible. Not easy, but possible.
If you choose open as a mode, then you should absolutely sacrifice 10ly or 16t cargo space to be able to survive. Gamble with what you are prepared to lose is Open 101.
Who cares about other cmdrs motivation? Knowing there are people who will attack you is enough and should be enough to make you amend your playstyle or choose a different mode.
No Cmdr has a moral obligation to another in game and further how does knowing they kill and hunt you for the lols change anything?
I think whole problem lay in fact that we dont have 2 open modes: pvp and pve. You see, this is an online game, and in open we chance to meet cool guys, like ive met some random guy on planet, near one of poi, we had short chat and stuff. In open you may have hope to meet someone. In solo nope, in pg smaller chance i think.
But even them if we had 2 modes how to deal with pirating? Pirating is very ok (healthy way to adress mining profits, better than nerfhammer we got)
You might want to reconsider that.
Why there would be diffrence between real world and game, in that (moral) matter? Explain.
In real world one is nice to another, because a) wants to be good just like that b) is afraid of consequence, either legal or revenge.
If b) (which doesnt exist in game) then this is not being moral. Its being coward.
So, following that logic (if flawed, please show me where exactly) we have murderhobos in here, and they are just a-holes cause b) was only thing stopping them. And thats why fighting them, with for example making separate pvp server which would limit number of their victims.
Also, you said that if you dont sacrafice 10ly you get ganked. Okay, but then, if you gank, expect moaning on the forum. Or being blocked.
By the way is there something like list of gankers?
Geez...hope you don't feel ignored by those filthy gankers. Maybe you should consider changing your deodorant.
sorry...HAD to write that.
Snipped the rest of it to save some space. Separating open between PVP and PVE is overkill, the game is already way too fragmented. Different servers for each platform, open, private and solo really divides the player-base. Especially on consoles, it hurts. While I do think it's fine to have options for different tastes, you can't cater to everything and everyone. Besides, it would kind of ruin the purpose of open. The idea is that space is hazardous and unpredictable and the only element which guarantees that is PVP.
As for the real life examples, I don't think they're applicable. If you REALLY want to draw a parallel, you might want to look at something like the old west rather than modern day. I haven't done any PVP in this game yet, but I might at some point. I liked doing it in EVE though.
No, the issue is that players aren't adequately prepared for Open. I think Open PvE is already catered for in PG, like Mobius so would not want to see Open change at all.
Pirating for sure needs some love. Even a mechanic so that it works. The whole "play as a bad guy" needs some love too. I want villians in my game - just make it a career already for Sotek's sake.
The difference is that one is a game and the other is real life. It doesn't get more basic than that. If you don't agree that people can act differently in game than RL then we disagree so fundamentally more discussion is pointless.
There is no moral framework in game. It's literally advertised as "PLAY YOUR OWN WAY". You might think other players are jerks, but they are allowed to be jerks by the framework of the game and furthermore calling them jerks (or worse) is meaningless as there is no moral framework, except that which you bring into it, which already contradicts the nature of the the game as advertised.
All fine. Those that moan on the forum I will always try and help.
If someone participates in un-consensual asymmetric PvP then I would expect them to be blocked by a proportion of players. I imagine if there is a way that these players can measure how many people have blocked them, that is held up as somehow winning, but who cares what they think?
I don't have anyone on my block list - I would usually add someone who killed me as a friend so I can see where they are and either avoid them, or play roadrunner to them. What you do, is down to you of course. Use block, use the modes, learn from your experience.
Probably on the Reddit.
1) Add pve open and remove pg. Or by default assogn player to pve pg and make it default. ppl know nothing about mobius
2) If thats why how u want to play, cool but why not give options for others? Pg and solo are already making it safe.
3) Wht not applicable? Does morality has changed since wild west times?
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1. Whatever, nothing to add from my end. People who want the ability to play with specific people may complain though.
2. There are other options, so I don't get the question.
3. It's not really about morality, it's about expectation. Bandits were a common occurrence during that period, at least that's how it's being portrayed. In seriousness, are we really having a conversation about how blowing up pixels is the just as immoral as murder?
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You're safe for now, the hard drive with the screencap on is the one I don't have plugged in at the moment
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I genuinely think online players in open is so scarce and the time you spend in SC is so low that you are almost completely safe in open. Unless you visit some high traffic systems like Shindez or Deciat.Geez...hope you don't feel ignored by those filthy gankers. Maybe you should consider changing your deodorant.
sorry...HAD to write that.
Well, there are more players in Open than you think. But generally you're right. And that's the reason I cannot take those threads about "Open is toxic and full of G's" serious.
2. Problem is fragmentation, if u play pg there is much smaller chance to meet fellow bubble explorer
3. Obviously not, I assume we are discussing if ganking should be acceptable behaviour or not. And adressed accordingly. I guess if you want to find analogy, ganking someone with exploration data gathered for 8 hours it would be same as destroying thi g that someone was preparing/crafting/whatever for 8 hours just to see that person upset or because you and your driend are competing how will make more people upset (someone in this thread tried to justyfy gankers behaviour that way)
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3. As long as it's permitted by game mechanics, it's legit. At least that's my opinion. And in the 'permitted by game mechanics' category I don't include exploits. So yea, ganking is acceptable behaviour.
why would I do that when I can just play in Solo mode and never have to worry about anything at all?In all this time you never come to the thought: "maybe I should wake out"
10 whole minutes, geez, enough time to cross the whole bubble.
Because you can't complain about griefers in solo
NPC Navy ships that interdict you at 6 seconds from the station are the worst griefers of all...Because you can't complain about griefers in solo
Not to forget the bazillion Anacondas that hunt you down, because you only signed several contracts just to fill up your T-9.NPC Navy ships that interdict you at 6 seconds from the station are the worst griefers of all...
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