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IC, see link above.
Nasty, but i already said that surely it is not age related, but it depends only on how strong the immune system is.
Elders are frail already, but weak immune systems can be found in any demographic
Edit: cant stop noticing that google translate does a marvelous job
That is because the stats are very carefully phrased in UK/US media. What they say is that mortality is almost exclusively the elderly or the infirm. What they mean to say is:"Even while half of those in ICU is neither, those cases have very high success rates when treated at ICU." Which, of course, is only re-assuring during the window where you have sufficient ICU beds. Italy has so far managed to keep mortality low among the younger people by giving them all the available beds. Hopefully they can hammer down the number of cases with their drastic measures (which, very tentatively, looks to be the case based on last 48h!). If not, the younger demographics will start to have increasing mortality rates too.
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Except you'd expect there would be MORE elders with immune systems so weak to require hospitalization. That is clearly not the case. Your point is only relevant to the mortality rate with perfect treatment coverage. And that is what all the behind-the-curtains panic is really about.
It is mind-blowing. I actually worked for Google ages ago, specifically for a time on their translation program. It is mental how much progress they have made.
In my country most of the cases were from active ages 19-65 yo. i posted the spread on previous page
Still, the number is quite small for the moment and not sure how relevant is statistically
And another update: Belgium is closing up: all non-essential stores close, no leaving the country except for 'vital' matters, no travel outside except for going to essential stores, essential workplaces or healthcare services. This means a colleague of mine (divorced) will not see his daughter until measures are lifted. I suspect this is the right thing to do, but this will be really hard for many people. And to think that until a week ago the prevailing opinion was that 'the flu is worse'...
Do people still not understand that deathrate among the oldest and sick is skyrocketing because triage ?
The harsh realities of triage are about to become all too apparent.
I doubt most people know what triage is, understand why it's done, or how it's a best practice when trying to save lives with limited resources.
Its a little more specific than that, the American Asian community are arming themselves in greater numbers than ever before because there's been a huge rise in attacks (reported attacks maybe) on them. That's direct from the gun traders.
There's a reason the WHO avoid names like "China Virus".
True. If only we had some globally very easily accessible research and knowledge repositories...
Rather, we live in a culture and time where, fortunately, knowledge of triage is not needed for most.
Yay for people. She was found, but GD some people...
www.nj.com
Update: Coronavirus patient who gave false name, address has been found, mayor says
Newark Mayor Ras Baraka pleaded with the woman to come forward.
www.nj.com
It's not so much a "failure to understand" as it is "not looking at only one sample" with quite a bit of "arriving at different conclusions" thrown in for good measure.
This is news to me, and I agree that it's troubling. Something that has characterized the spread and statistics of the virus form country to country is its unpredictability and anomalous behavior from region to region, culture to culture.
Plenty of things aren't needed, until they are, and a little knowledge can go a long way toward prevention of both underlying causes and of panic/outrage if that fails.
It's going to be a real shock to a lot of people once they realize that those who they perceive as needing help the most are left to drown in their own mucus in a hallway precisely because they are in worse shape than someone else who also qualifies for oxygen or a ventilator.
My in-laws are, predominantly, rural working-class people with not enough sense or education to make heads or tails of what's going on now. My surviving grandmother in-law, who was a long time smoker and is missing a lung due to cancer, is still going out and shopping like this is all some grand overreaction and nothing is wrong. She's likely to get sick and if she gets sick, she's likely to not do well. If there is any shortage of ICU beds, she is going to the bottom of the list to make room for someone more likely to survive. If she dies because of this, there will be a whole clan of well-armed people who are going to think this triage thing is some sort of conspiracy against them, or proof of medical malfeasance.
Yay for people. She was found, but GD some people...
Update: Coronavirus patient who gave false name, address has been found, mayor says
Newark Mayor Ras Baraka pleaded with the woman to come forward.
I find it difficult to condemn people for not giving the authorities information and pressuring them to do is going to result in a lot of people never showing up to any hospital at all, unless they are dragged in.
The Minister of Economy in France does not close the door to the renationalization of big companies if there is a need.
This is quite explicit of the complicated situation of the economic sector.
Why?
If someone is a danger for any of his contacts - should he let have its ways?
I see it as someone with a gun firing in random directions. 95% of the time he will not hit anyone, but there is a 5% chance he will kill someone.
The cops will shot him down with no hesitation, right?
Edit, why is a contagious dude, that lies and is prone to infect many others, different?
Do not get any illusions !
In times of health war, we must all stand together, but when the epidemic is over, you will once again be the public enemy No. 1
Yeh, that's not how isolation works.
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