If you met many gankers, you'll find that many of us are quite passionate about the game and very dedicated. To answer back saying "don't play" is not constructive at all.
Ignoring or harming PvP in game design is contributing to ganking
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And all I'm saying here is the result of these choices is contributing to the ganking in the game. The thing is gankers really do like the game, they're often some of the most passionate and dedicated players. This thread is intended to highlight the numerous issues with the game that are contributing to ganking. To suggest "just don't play" is not constructive.
Ok, what's you're reasoning? I think I clearly stated why the design ends up encouraging immediately attacking the target.
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Aye, and I'm very passionate about the pub up the road but if the majority of the people up there don't want to play my music, then it isn't the pub for me. It might be the best pub in the town. It's not about how passionate I am about the pub it's about the fact that not enough people want to play the music I like in there. Not enough people playing Elite want to play PvP. I don't think you can incentivise people out to do it. I didn't meant to be rude about it, I was just pointing out the logical outcome. Elite doesn't have enough people who want to PvP. What now?
Well, if FDev's reaction to having massive problems in their game is to tell them to go play something else, then that's their call. Seem pretty counter-productive though to leave a flawed design contributing to what non-pvp players don't like, and just drive away some their oldest and most dedicated players to games.
I'd argue that it might just be better for everyone if they could start addressing some of these issues instead.
I didn't say don't play. I'm just pointing out that you are having a problem with one of the main foundations of the game. I got interested in elite exactly because it provided solo mode.
And ganking isn't really a problem exactly because of the reasons you list as leading to ganking. Everyone can avoid it by switching to solo.
And this was the reason why modes exist. I remember DBraben said something about it on one of the early videos. He wanted to make a game where you don't have to worry about some teenage gankers ruining your game if you don't feel like it.
At game launch people would play in open and accept the risk of piracy, they would do all the things that enabled meaningful PvP. Not all players, to be sure, but enough to maintain a viable open population. But there were always the gankers urinating in the well. Folks who would roll in on people not interested in "PvP for PvP's sake" and blow 'em away, with the usual toxic taunts in chat. Within a month of the game launching, folks who weren't prepared to put up with that style of gameplay (or, to be more precise, that kind of gamer) were beginning to avoid open.
Eventually the folks who wanted PvP in a meaningful in-game context were doing that in PGs too, to avoid that kind of PvPer.
Open has only gankers as PvPers now because other gankers stank the place up for anyone else.
Chicken. Egg. Empty open is not the cause of gankers. It's the other way around.
Eventually the folks who wanted PvP in a meaningful in-game context were doing that in PGs too, to avoid that kind of PvPer.
Open has only gankers as PvPers now because other gankers stank the place up for anyone else.
Chicken. Egg. Empty open is not the cause of gankers. It's the other way around.
There could be the incentive to gain new friends, or help make the universe a good experience to anyone you meet? Thats two incentives to not gank if you were looking.
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DZ
Massive problems for who? Those who don't like PvP or don't want to get ganked, stay in solo or groups. It's no problem to them. I don't think ganking is a 'massive' problem in ED. It's a massive problem for a minority who like PvP, I'll grant you that.
Bit disingenuous, it wouldn't be better for everyone, it would be better for the undoubtably passionate but undeniably small minority who like PvP.
Not disingenuous at all. For those who don't want to be ganked, you're less likely to since people who want to PvP would have meaningful content they'd be entertained with instead.
Yeah, I should know better by now that these threads are largely pointless... Really just want a better game. I don't play other games because this one really is a lot of fun, but much of its potential is lost.
I like the idea of having your own ships in Arena.
Yes power play in open only would be good but to the detriment of the majority of players.
it's a 3-mode game it's not going to change. You can influence the bgs in all three.
Yes power play in open only would be good but to the detriment of the majority of players.
it's a 3-mode game it's not going to change. You can influence the bgs in all three.
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When a PVP event will manage to get the number of signups that DW2 got, we will talk about "tiny faction"
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There have been such threads since just after the game pitch ended - over seven years ago.
I expect that everyone wants improvements to the game. The issue arises when players want different things - often diametrically opposed.
I'd personally argue that the biggest contributor towards ganking is players willingly entering open.
Part of the problem that I see is that FD seem to be pretty intent at marketing open as being the "default" setting rather than players opting into a special multiplayer mode if they want open play. It doesn't help that Sandro seemed to love the multiplayer aspects back when he had the reins of the operation and seemed to be trying to make WoW in space rather than a gritty, procedural economic survival game.
If players were introduced into solo mode as being the main way to play and open mode having a big disclaimer of "gameplay may be adversely affected by the actions of other players" before accessing it, then gankers would probably have far fewer targets and would therefore stop spending so much of their time hunting for targets.
Part of the problem that I see is that FD seem to be pretty intent at marketing open as being the "default" setting rather than players opting into a special multiplayer mode if they want open play. It doesn't help that Sandro seemed to love the multiplayer aspects back when he had the reins of the operation and seemed to be trying to make WoW in space rather than a gritty, procedural economic survival game.
If players were introduced into solo mode as being the main way to play and open mode having a big disclaimer of "gameplay may be adversely affected by the actions of other players" before accessing it, then gankers would probably have far fewer targets and would therefore stop spending so much of their time hunting for targets.