Inara and FC incorrect price spam

jacozilla

jacozilla
On Inara, when checking best sell price for LTDs - notice there are lots of fleet carrier owners advertising very high prices (~2.2mil) for LTDs with significant volume (5-7k).

I assume these are private transfer (account to account or squadron) purposes only because all the ones I checked are not actually taking any LTD sales. Which is perfectly fine - I have 2 accounts myself and while no FC, seems like good way to transfer credits between them.

But my question is, why run EDMC and spam update Inara with useless data that will at best no use to other commanders, and at worst waste time / troll move?

e.g. no naming and shaming but actual examples of 1.6 to 2.2mil Inara best sell FCs
1- parked at Hutton Orbital - no further explanation needed. Deliberately updating Inara with 2.2mil buy offer while parked here. If he/she wanted a really private, safe location to transfer credits and figured no one would try flying that distance, why EDMC / update Inara?

2- other players, nearly a page long currently on Inara, showing Inara prices despite being similarly for private transfer purposes only. By private transfer, I just mean clearly not really buying - no idea if such a named function exists for FC settings.

Are all these players just forgetting to turn off EDMC and just legitimate mistakes?
 

MarkyH

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They are they new griefers, they hope you jump your FC or fly your SHIP 200+ LY to them to find them locked for docking or the order pulled, or the worst demand set AT 1 TON SO YOU CAN ONLT DEAL 1 TON AT A TIME!!
 

catanonia

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Seen a few of these trying to sell my LTD's in Col 285. Really annoying when INARA is the only real way to work out where to start to sell LTD's on a FC
 

catanonia

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MarkAusten said:
Can you not sort by price descending and scroll down to the sensible prices?
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Yes I did that, but it was still a box of chocolates finding a "proper" FC to sell at with "proper" demand.
The problem is INARA is only as good as the data inputted and is very time subjective and open to abuse.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
MarkAusten said:
Can you not sort by price descending and scroll down to the sensible prices?
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you can. and there's an easy 1 click filter to remove carriers from the list - but my question and possible issue is why update Inara at all (vs. what are the workarounds) and confuse which carriers are legit and which are not.

if these commanders are legit, just turn off EDMC and do whatever, then turn it back on iwhen they want to engage in real buy/sell orders. if they are not, they are taking what is heavily relied on and basically de facto game tools, albeit 3rd party, and deliberately making less reliable.

given how valuable EDMC updated sites many commanders rely on are, seems like if there aren't just honest mistakes and forgetting to turn EDMC off, then they are just poisoning their own well as presumably they value and use these tools too.
 

MarkAusten

MarkAusten
jacozilla said:
you can. and there's an easy 1 click filter to remove carriers from the list - but my question and possible issue is why update Inara at all (vs. what are the workarounds) and confuse which carriers are legit and which are not.

if these commanders are legit, just turn off EDMC and do whatever, then turn it back on iwhen they want to engage in real buy/sell orders. if they are not, they are taking what is heavily relied on and basically de facto game tools, albeit 3rd party, and deliberately making less reliable.

given how valuable EDMC updated sites many commanders rely on are, seems like if there aren't just honest mistakes and forgetting to turn EDMC off, then they are just poisoning their own well as presumably they value and use these tools too.
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Ah, I see what you mean. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for clarifying that for me.
 

Krash

Krash
I forgot to turn off EDMC when helping a friend. Its easy to do because EDMC sits there in the background. We need a checklist of all the things to remember when transferring credits because it can go wrong in a lot of ways.
 

Bottom Hat

Bottom Hat
It would be a lot harder though without Inara and market connector, so it's kinda not really their fault if the game doesn't provide discernable data.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
Bottom Hat said:
It would be a lot harder though without Inara and market connector, so it's kinda not really their fault if the game doesn't provide discernable data.
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I can’t make out what you mean by this. Can you clarify further?

Hard to tell if you are supporting or not supporting the commanders who are displaying incorrect sell data on inara.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
Andro said:
On Inara you can filter everything except large pad stations out, including Carriers.
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the issue wasn‘t if there are workarounds, because clearly there are. It is the bigger issue of possible poisoning of the well by potentially having people not trust eddb, inara, etc if the reliability of data becomes questioned.

and I’m not saying inara prices are normally always perfect, but for the time update given it WAS accurate - so ppl learn to make judgement call when looking at older updated info.

but in this issue it is different because the update might say 2 min ago, normally a very trusted update given how recent, but turns out to be either best case an accident of arranging private transfer but forgot to turn off EDMC, or in at least some cases clearly deliberate trolling.

if people spam false updates enough, the ability to easily filter carriers won’t be the problem - it will be the lack of trust in tools many of us consider absolutely essential.
 

Krash

Krash
jacozilla said:
the issue wasn‘t if there are workarounds, because clearly there are. It is the bigger issue of possible poisoning of the well by potentially having people not trust eddb, inara, etc if the reliability of data becomes questioned.

and I’m not saying inara prices are normally always perfect, but for the time update given it WAS accurate - so ppl learn to make judgement call when looking at older updated info.

but in this issue it is different because the update might say 2 min ago, normally a very trusted update given how recent, but turns out to be either best case an accident of arranging private transfer but forgot to turn off EDMC, or in at least some cases clearly deliberate trolling.

if people spam false updates enough, the ability to easily filter carriers won’t be the problem - it will be the lack of trust in tools many of us consider absolutely essential.
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I don't trust any data (3rd party/In game) for carriers. Been burnt too many times.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
Krash said:
I think he's saying too much data is better than no data. I tend to agree with him.
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i‘m a stats and charts guy, so yes - agree that in general more data is better than less. But the unsaid assumption is to have too much reliable data is good, gives more choice, let the individual decide what and how much to use.

if you have more data because you mix false and true data, then no way - I think any sane person would rather have half as much but guaranteed good data vs twice as much and need to guess or personally fly to learn which half is good / bad
 

Krash

Krash
jacozilla said:
i‘m a stats and charts guy, so yes - agree that in general more data is better than less. But the unsaid assumption is to have too much reliable data is good, gives more choice, let the individual decide what and how much to use.

if you have more data because you mix false and true data, then no way - I think any sane person would rather have half as much but guaranteed good data vs twice as much and need to guess or personally fly to learn which half is good / bad
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I agree and its why every other post here is suggesting the carrier filter and you already know about that. I filter out all carrier data because I don't trust it. I'm left with the 99% reliable data we had before carriers.
 

Andro

Andro
jacozilla said:
the issue wasn‘t if there are workarounds, because clearly there are. It is the bigger issue of possible poisoning of the well by potentially having people not trust eddb, inara, etc if the reliability of data becomes questioned.

and I’m not saying inara prices are normally always perfect, but for the time update given it WAS accurate - so ppl learn to make judgement call when looking at older updated info.

but in this issue it is different because the update might say 2 min ago, normally a very trusted update given how recent, but turns out to be either best case an accident of arranging private transfer but forgot to turn off EDMC, or in at least some cases clearly deliberate trolling.

if people spam false updates enough, the ability to easily filter carriers won’t be the problem - it will be the lack of trust in tools many of us consider absolutely essential.
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I could gather a group of people and fake prices in a system and turn it into a blockaded trap, even before FC, because the data has only ever been as honest as the masses collecting it.
 

jacozilla

jacozilla
Krash said:
I agree and its why every other post here is suggesting the carrier filter and you already know about that. I filter out all carrier data because I don't trust it. I'm left with the 99% reliable data we had before carriers.
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for stuff like LTD the filter could work, but i prefer tritium hauling - and my main sell customers are all carriers.

i could sell at a best sell station, sure - but there is an entire new emerging gameplay and market supplying the player carriers. If the trolls do the same to tritium as LtD, I can’t just filter carriers out because they are my main market
 
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