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Axacuatl

Axacuatl
[VR] optimal_909 said:
Wait. What? Why? Is this officially confirmed/explained?
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Sorry, let me rephrase because I just notice how ambiguous my statement was: with certain larger cities, as soon as you leave the central areas you will notice that the graphics switch from real MS Bing data using some kind of photogrammetry routines to make up 3D buildings looking similar to the real world equivalent, to only the 2D floor map of the cities. So you get a really great looking downtown while the suburbs look more like the old well-known default buidings used in the old-fashioned flight sims.

The point I don't understand is that it seems to be more restricted than the Bing map service if you check that in terms of where it has 3D maps and where it only offers 2D floor tiles. So I very much hope this is still a work in progress issue.
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
As I understood the real map is used for procgen to image real world city structures. Very popular places would be hand-modeled to very close similarity. So you have a factory on a map - the game places a factory there. But it doesn't neccesarily look like the real world factory.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Axacuatl said:
Sorry, let me rephrase because I just notice how ambiguous my statement was: with certain larger cities, as soon as you leave the central areas you will notice that the graphics switch from real MS Bing data using some kind of photogrammetry routines to make up 3D buildings looking similar to the real world equivalent, to only the 2D floor map of the cities. So you get a really great looking downtown while the suburbs look more like the old well-known default buidings used in the old-fashioned flight sims.

The point I don't understand is that it seems to be more restricted than the Bing map service if you check that in terms of where it has 3D maps and where it only offers 2D floor tiles. So I very much hope this is still a work in progress issue.
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<<< Compares Bing's maps to Google's

Wow... now I'm wishing that they had gone with Google Maps instead of their own. Google's got decent (almost scarily so) 3D models of my neighborhood, down to trees, houses, cars, patio furniture... even the port-a-potty at our local park. In fact, I had to about 70km from the Twin Cities before
 

Axacuatl

Axacuatl
-VR- Darkfyre99 said:
Wow... now I'm wishing that they had gone with Google Maps instead of their own.
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Me too, but it wasn't going to happen, was it: MS runs the Bing map service, so how could they allow Asobo to use a competing map service even if it's superior to theirs.
And let us be humble for a moment: it is already fantastic that they decided to (do the obvious which nobody so far bothered to do to) combine a flight sim with real world map data for essentially the entire world. It is just amazing to fly about some of the big cities over here where I know my ways and see (their more central districts) in realistic representation ! The graphics are just awesome, also clouds, rain, lighting, just such a huge step forward; Aerosoft FS2 had great graphics too for its paid DLC areas, e.g. the Swiss mountains, but no comparable 3D representation of the buildings of the cities. And I didn't really test it but I would bet that FS2020 is much much deeper in terms of real flight simulation. Which will become more interesting to me as I am in the process to acquire a private pilot license. Now I just need them to add VR, and then it's a dream come true...
 

Axacuatl

Axacuatl
Well, better forget about that. They will need some 3D data, which then would show in Bing maps. I can't see that they would not feed it into the much more important product Bing maps but afford it to its little sister FS2020 ...
 

[VR] optimal_909

[VR] optimal_909
Axacuatl said:
Well, better forget about that. They will need some 3D data, which then would show in Bing maps. I can't see that they would not feed it into the much more important product Bing maps but afford it to its little sister FS2020 ...
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I think the key difference between the two that Bing's role is to show the reality whereas with FS they can come up with procedural-AI augmented 'fantasy'.
 

Cmdr Nemo

Cmdr Nemo
Gonna end up just like the other's, 12 year old's will all obtain Air Force One and spend their time ramming other's. All the while stating it's in the interest of National Security and you got in their way. And without any real story line or content to follow, people are gonna grow tired of flying various ships past their's or their friends houses. With the exception of an actual craft, google earth allows one to do pretty much what MS2020 will. Using just google earth, I can already go almost anywhere in the world and view stuff.
 

Fishy

Fishy
Cmdr Nemo LXXI said:
Gonna end up just like the other's, 12 year old's will all obtain Air Force One and spend their time ramming other's. All the while stating it's in the interest of National Security and you got in their way. And without any real story line or content to follow, people are gonna grow tired of flying various ships past their's or their friends houses. With the exception of an actual craft, google earth allows one to do pretty much what MS2020 will. Using just google earth, I can already go almost anywhere in the world and view stuff.
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I'mo not quite sure what you're talking about but it sounds nothing like the solo simulation experience that civilian flight sims mostly are. Are you thinking of War Thunder maybe? I've never encountered a 12 year old in my flight sims from Flight Simulator 2 on Apple //c to X-Plane 11, I'm not even sure how multiplayer even works or which ones have it as a feature, and I'm looking forward to discovering how to practice instrument landings in google earth.
 

Wotthe Dickens

Wotthe Dickens
Fishy said:
I'mo not quite sure what you're talking about but it sounds nothing like the solo simulation experience that civilian flight sims mostly are. Are you thinking of War Thunder maybe? I've never encountered a 12 year old in my flight sims from Flight Simulator 2 on Apple //c to X-Plane 11, I'm not even sure how multiplayer even works or which ones have it as a feature, and I'm looking forward to discovering how to practice instrument landings in google earth.
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I managed to get a seagull flying around in google data, but not nailed the flap tech yet :)
Source: https://youtu.be/bKhh3evSO1Q
 

[VR] optimal_909

[VR] optimal_909
Question to experienced flight simmers: is HOTAS mandatory for the controls, or immersion aspect?
I used to play Elite with KB+M (in VR too), and had no issues with immersion or precision flying like docking and stuff.

I am planning to take the hard route by setting everything on simulation even if that means doing simple training flights around the airport in a Cessna for weeks. :)
 

Cmdr Mander

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[VR] optimal_909 said:
Question to experienced flight simmers: is HOTAS mandatory for the controls, or immersion aspect?
I used to play Elite with KB+M (in VR too), and had no issues with immersion or precision flying like docking and stuff.

I am planning to take the hard route by setting everything on simulation even if that means doing simple training flights around the airport in a Cessna for weeks. :)
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Not mandatory at all, but it does help with the immersion.
Also probably depends on what sort of flying you intend to do. Single engine GA stuff would be fine with a stick which includes a throttle, something like the Gladiator MkII or Thrustmaster T16000, both really good sticks which won't break the bank. They'd be fine with airliner flying as well, although with all the extra stuff going on in airliner cockpits a HOTAS can definitely make life a bit easier. If you're using VR it may help with having control bindings mapped to the controllers rather than the keyboard. I don't use VR so not sure if that's an issue or not?

If you're thinking about HOTAS for the 2020 release I would personally wait until you're sure there's no issues before spending a load of cash. I'm in the alpha so can't give specifics but I'd be disappointed if I'd invested a shed load on expensive controllers only to find there were issues with how they are handled or perform ;)
 

askavir

askavir
[VR] optimal_909 said:
Question to experienced flight simmers: is HOTAS mandatory for the controls, or immersion aspect?
I used to play Elite with KB+M (in VR too), and had no issues with immersion or precision flying like docking and stuff.

I am planning to take the hard route by setting everything on simulation even if that means doing simple training flights around the airport in a Cessna for weeks. :)
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Mostly immersion, although it also depends on how well each game implements mouse control. Playing for instance X-Plane 11 with mouse is completely possible, but feels "clunky". ED on the other hand plays wonderfully with mouse (although I now use HOTAS , mostly for immersion again).
 
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