sitting quietly in Jaques Station. Horrible trespass of justice I tell you. And no it doesn't bother me but the irony is completely lost on you.
I graciously accept your defeat.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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Where? We've been reigning terror in the bubble and have been met with zero resistance.
You guys are a lot of talk and no walk.
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This is me saying what you just said, before you said it:
Perhaps you didn't read that far. I get called lots of things, including by you, earlier in the thread. So maybe reflect on that too & chill out a bit.
This is me spelling it out as unambiguously as possible, because I think you took offence to the way I originally said it.
Don't be bitter = Whether you are bitter or not, try not to be bitter.
I did...I literally did. I literally answered it in the Kings.
I said already, I accept your defeat
Well it's not much of an apology but okay sure, I'll take that olive branch
Good chat, hope you learned some stuff.
I did. I can't fix stup....nevermind
Not sure - imho these threads give some background to my actual playing, which is limited for practical reasons.
I wouldn't know half of what goes on in this game without them, carry on
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Because the whole two wings they have (including Bhards Dolphin ATR) were needed in Colonia to blow up Phisto.
Yep, they finally managed to blow him up, with two wings.
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Yeah a buddy helping me out with a war got taken out by 2 full wings in a High CZ. Seems to be the way to do it. Buddy said it was a hell of a rush
We won the war though, that was one I'll remember Until now they at most brought a full wing against me, so I always got away. But generally it is a result of the crude imbalance in Elite. When we blow them up we also need generally 4 to 1 odds. It's just as it is.Yeah a buddy helping me out with a war got taken out by 2 full wings in a High CZ. Seems to the the way to do it. Buddy said it was a hell of a rush
It's just annoying people like yianniv or Ratty or new people from the bubble, unaffiliated, get in the crossfire of "lawfuls".
That they come after me I can cope with, even it's unwarranted in my view shrugs
I know what you mean, it's hard to watch your friends get attacked just because they are known associates, but my 'known associates' understand and in some cases that's why they choose to side with me
Emergent content, meaningful PvP. These are the consequences, it's splash damage.I'm not sure I'm good enough to evade a wing of 4 players, but my understanding is that escaping a wing of 4 is practically guaranteed if you know some fairly quickly learned evasion tricks. So naturally it is no surprise that a gank squad is going to know that & escalate. Have to wonder where it will end. That's why I like negotiating. It cuts out a hell of a lot of grind
Avoids quite a lot of the splash damage too.With "space legs" they'll be rolling over the floor of the cantine at Jaques station
But imho the rivalry adds to the game, not detract...
You’re not aloneThis is the BGS soap opera I was talking about.
It's like coming in part way through season 47. No idea what's going on, who is involved, or what they're talking about... but it's still fun to watch
I've had Hawaii pizza today. It was atrocious.
Unfortunately with the C&P system we have that kind of balance is probably here to stay.
Instancing generally prevents an escalation beyond more then 2-3 wings I'd say.I know what you mean, it's hard to watch your friends get attacked just because they are known associates, but my 'known associates' understand and in some cases that's why they choose to side with me
I'm not sure I'm good enough to evade a wing of 4 players, but my understanding is that escaping a wing of 4 is practically guaranteed if you know some fairly quickly learned evasion tricks. So naturally it is no surprise that a gank squad is going to know that & escalate. Have to wonder where it will end. That's why I like negotiating. It cuts out a hell of a lot of grind
Even now I can't always manage to instance with squadron members, sometimes not even with wingmates, from different timezones.
The chances are always stacked towards some overwhelming force of people in one timezone against loners in the same.
And to be honest, everyone can evade a gank wing if he flies a 3000mj FdL or Mamba, or a 840 m/s courier, or a twelve million mj Prisma Cutter.
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It's less C&P and more the problems of the game infrastructure and balance.
If you want to expand on that I’d be interested
In Elite to reliably kill someone who know's what he's doing is functionally impossible except in special circumstances due to balance.
When my wing of four blew up one of our SPEAR enemies some time ago - who was alone - it only worked because that CMDR made a grave
misjudgement on the armament of one of our CMDRs, who had several scramble lasers fitted and shut down the FSD right in the moment.
Otherwise he would've been able to get away even under fire from a whole wing:
The defense stacking in this game is ridiculous, fights between well built mediums take 10-15 minutes.
So in order to kill your enemy, you HAVE to gank in the sense of "gang-killing" aka bring overwhelming numbers.
A full evasive 4 pip engine FdL can have 300 mj of shields "only", you still can't hit it before it wakes out.
The defense stacking is just that bad, especially for shielded builds, where several effects don't work (like scramble, killing pp/fsd).
This all is related to "G5'd murderboats" tho.
A 3D shielded Asp to pop is usually easier then blowing up NPCs, because NPCs generally at least try to evade.
Balancing overwhelming numbers is made difficult by the game infrastructure.
Sometimes you can't reliably instance depending on hardware, internet provider, etc.
Also blocking makes the whole instancing even worse.
If you have several people in the same timezone and on similar/close internet providers, it's much easier to instance.
That's why you often have 4 to 1 odds, because one side simply can't bring more together, while the other can.
This is all independent from the C&P system.
The current iteration and our conflict "drama" by the way shows one of the mistakes to make the status "wanted" apply to a ship.
We always complain SPEAR is hunting clean CMDRs who for them are criminals, but not for the game's ruleset.
If FD would've decided to keep bounties on the CMDR, we wouldn't have much of this discussion about hypocrisy.