General / Off-Topic The safest place
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We the people, in the U.K. did our best. Agreed and some are still trying. However: What the U.K. or any other country, can or can not afford; is a moot point. A couple of decades ago, billions were given to the people that are paid to look after everyone's money. Cost is a moot point. Assisting the people, to play their part and do as requested, is obligatory. Make laws: Land lords will not evict, businesses that 'have to' pause trading. Make laws across the whole spectrum of life, that help the general public, to conform and survive whatever, society is required to do.Both countries have similar populations a similar outbreak and a similar economy.
We are running out of options. The U.K. can’t keep locking-down every few months and it’s the same in France. Spain is suffering even more
I know it’s crossing the line into politics but I don’t see how they can be disconnected.... in the U.K. we can’t afford another lockdown like before. It’s probably the same in France.
Some countries with budget surpluses can afford to close down their economy for longer or more often. The U.K. can’t. We did our best and it hadn’t worked.
Just giving up, is not an option. Too many, far too many good people will die, if we let this virus win and wash over us.
Imagine that the number of deaths is several hundred thousand for a country like the United Kingdom (or France or others), I believe that many people would avoid going out even for the work. Me the first.I think we have already blown the bank on it unfortunately
In other words, their won’t be a second national lockdown because we can’t afford it no matter how many people die.
I think we have already blown the bank on it unfortunately
In other words, their won’t be a second national lockdown because we can’t afford it no matter how many people die.
The thing is things have changed.
It wasn't actually a national "lockdown" anyway.
Essential workers were still working - in London the tubes were mobbed.
We were all (shielded excepted) going to the shops.
But yes, clearly they want to avoid the levels they went to previously. It's about getting the best result for the least effort and that's where the disagreements kick in.
It achieved what it was meant to at the time i.e. slow things down. Stop the NHS from being totally overrun with covid while they tried to figure what they were dealing with. It worked, from a personal point of view as in the last 2 to three months I've had three GP visits in person (blood tests) and two hospital procedures as they started to open things up again. Now it's also about trying to get people dealt with for non covid stuff too and they do seem to be making some progress in my experience.
They're trying to balance money and health but I think when push comes to shove the cost of just doing nothing would far outweigh the cost of shutting stuff down to keep things suppresed as far as possible.
It's a massive bag of poop and I certainly wouldn't want to have the responsibility for it, and let's face it the people that do unfortunately just picked the wrong time to give up not being politicians. Most of them aren't qualified to run a stall in market (no offence to market stall holders) let alone run a response to a pandemic.
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Did a supply dropoff for a Covid positive victim earlier, at her home.
Family and friends won't go.
We live in such a wonderful world.
It is weird. We really should get the deniers on those jobs, they shouldn't mind.
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I'm getting tired of people worsening the problem.
Whatever the subject (disease, economy, social, overproduction, overconsumption, overpollution, destruction of the environment and other living species, global warming etc ...), I'm always satisifed when people who are in denial suffer the things they deny.Speaking of...
Influencer didn’t believe in COVID, dies of virus
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Is there a field of Social Media Epidemiology yet? Or maybe Conspiracy Theory Epidemiology 
Similar to disease - some are prone to catch idea with the briefest contact, some have natural immunity. And some seem to have higher R values than others, how many people do you need to tell a lie in order to spread it?
Similar to disease - some are prone to catch idea with the briefest contact, some have natural immunity. And some seem to have higher R values than others, how many people do you need to tell a lie in order to spread it?
Whatever the subject (disease, economy, social, overproduction, overconsumption, overpollution, destruction of the environment and other living species, global warming etc ...), I'm always satisifed when people who are in denial suffer the things they deny.
They spread it and misinformation about it first though. On balance I'd prefer everyone took it seriously first time around.
Yes I understand.
I was of course speaking in a more general, more global sense about the irresponsible behavior of many people in various and vital areas.
Is there a field of Social Media Epidemiology yet? Or maybe Conspiracy Theory Epidemiology
Similar to disease - some are prone to catch idea with the briefest contact, some have natural immunity. And some seem to have higher R values than others, how many people do you need to tell a lie in order to spread it?
The venn diagram of mental illness and Qanon is pretty much a circle. Worsened by the stress of isolation of lockdowns far more people are vulnerable to this stuff at the moment, cults have always targeted people when they are most vulnerable and isolating them from any other viewpoint has always been standard cult behaviour.
A lot of the people who were initially into the 5G virus conspiracies have since jumped onto the plandemic bandwagon.
I've also noticed a massive amount of crossover between the more misogynistic/xenophobic types and covid denial.
Yes I understand.
I was of course speaking in a more general, more global sense about the irresponsible behavior of many people in various and vital areas.
I wasn't criticising your view, I agree with it. I'm just getting tired of carrying the dead weight. Living in a strict lockdown area traceable to a single house party isn't helping.
I understand this kind of torture.
Although during the total confinement in France for two months, I was lucky enough to live in a village with the huge and isolated forest 200 meters behind the home ...
I measure the value of this chance.
I understand this kind of torture.
Although during the total confinement in France for two months, I was lucky enough to live in a village with the huge and isolated forest 200 meters behind the home ...
I measure the value of this chance.
I'm lucky as well I live up a hill with all kinds of woods, forest and hills around for walking so all good there.
We are in an archery club and covid's messed that up, so we turned it into a hillwalking club as you can meet up in a car park at a social distance and walk in your household groups at a social distance, then go to a pub with a beer garden and sit at different table's at a social distance and have a conversation just by raising your voice a bit.
That one house party has stopped it since we are spread around and no one can travel anymore.
I understand this kind of torture.
Although during the total confinement in France for two months, I was lucky enough to live in a village with the huge and isolated forest 200 meters behind the home ...
I measure the value of this chance.
I still have to travel a bit to reach them, but I have loads of hillls, forests, riverbeds and seaside areas all around (from 20 minutes to 1 hour and a tad by car). I spent most of my weekends in the past 8 months hiking these kind of areas, not even need for masks as you'll walk by perhaps a couple other people every hour, with ample room for distancing. It's also awesome for health, both physical and menthal.
(Forgive me for the low quality pics, but I refuse to spend more than 200$ on a phone.
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Most people seem to think of social distancing and isolation as locking themselves at home, but truth is most of the world outside the cities has nobody in it and is covid-free, just take disinfectant and a mask in your backpack just in case.
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Excellent ! Still a paradise on the earth.I still have to travel a bit to reach them, but I have loads of hillls, forests, riverbeds and seaside areas all around (from 20 minutes to 1 hour and a tad by car). I spent most of my weekends in the past 8 months hiking these kind of areas, not even need for masks as you'll walk by perhaps a couple other people every hour, with ample room for distancing. It's also awesome for health, both physical and menthal.
(Forgive me for the low quality pics, but I refuse to spend more than 200$ on a phone.
Over here in Portugal the gov has issued mandatory usage of masks in the street, and mandatory installation of a tracking app that recorded your locations and everyone you were physically close to, as well as giving the police the power to ask people for their phones and check for the installation of the tracking app.
While the usage of masks was almost universally accepted and seen as common sense (most people already wore them voluntarily anyway), the mandatory installation of tracking apps on phones on the other has backfired spectacularly, like was to be expected by any sane person. Not only the government popularity dropped like a stone, I also expect a huge spike in sales of old and dusty Nokia 3310's and similars, together with a huge rise in numbers of people who officially don't have mobile phones
Socialists love control, just remember, you can vote your way into a totalitarian system, but you need to shot your way out of it! Good luck Europe, you're going to need it.
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