Hi all. To those suspecting troll bait, I was a KS backer on ED but did not start really playing until two months ago. Where this came from: I work for a large company and participate in a number of resource groups whose purpose is to improve diversity and inclusion in the workplace by sharing stories of discrimination and/or cultural perspectives. Some of those stories have inspired me. The issue of slave trading in ED always bugged me, but today I got the notion that I'd make a post on the forums for the first time over this issue, because I have a problem with it and felt that there was an acceptable and non-disruptive solution.
I predicted a negative response from many users (many of which fall into the most typical categories of logical fallacy, some which do not), which is fine, but I want to assure you all that this was not troll bait. I'm serious.
My intention was to have an honest conversation about the issue, but it seems like that's not in the cards.
KS backer all those years ago but only just started playing about the time Polygon started investigating the in-game player slavery shenanigans?
Maybe that's on the wrong track there, but there is a developing rat-like odour to all this.
My intention was to have an honest conversation about the issue, but it seems like that's not in the cards.
Before you wrote this, there was a continuous set of honest, detailed and far more nuanced replies, than can be found in your own OP. It seems you discounted those views. Was it because your idea of a conversation doesn't allow for dissent?
It sounds like you ought to join us in Utopia. Not only is this a Power which, as it's primary form of control, hauls off dissidents for "re-education", or as I shall now call it: "Diversity & Equality Training", but Utopia also bans the buying and selling of all slaves of any kind, and closes black markets so slaves cannot be traded illicitly either. That eradication of the slave trade is a major motivator for a number of our pledges, and a frequent rallying cry for getting things done. For these players it has given them something to feel strongly about, and it certainly hasn't created a 'passive acceptance' of slavery. It is intensely condescending to treat people as unthinking, purely unconscious robots, so I wouldn't deem to assume it has heightened their awareness of the issues connected with slavery.
if you disagree I'm open to hearing your perspective.
If you want to print my words, or misrepresent my perspectives, I have fees
It would be nice to be able to liberate slaves. Until then, I must continue ejecting them into a sun. Better to die free, than live as a slave. Hopefully they share my progressive 21st century values.
. Is anyone here arguing for slavery? No, they are just arguing that the lore should be preserved and I should go play something else and shut up about it. That's the opposite of debate.
They seem to primarily be arguing against censorship. Especially when it's as clumsy as your OP, which tramples on a lot of other issues, not least another threatening issue of our time which is the surrendering of our autonomy to AI. It is an issue fundamental to the basis of our gameplay; being the justification why technology is so advanced in ED in some ways, yet so manual & non-automated in others. But yeh, lets just wreck it all for the culture wars.
When you remove slavery, you also have to remove Communism from the game. It is, after all, the most murderous and vile ideology invented by mankind and the only ideology with an even higher bodycount than the Nazi scum.
Or you could just accept that the Elite universe isn't some utopia and perfect place of harmony, and leave your RL politics out of video games. I for one prefer the second option.
A long list of religions, also Monarchical systems & good ol' Capitalist Democracy each have a far higher body count by orders or magnitude than either of those ideologies. Im glad we're clearly talking about ideologies, not politics.
Without elaboration, they said that the offending parties violated the TOS and that the matter was being handled directly between them. As they should. The offending parties in question were more forthcoming about the specifics.
So.. are you sure you didn't write the article? Is this thread researching for a hatchet-job follow up? I can see it now, "Uncovered: Toxic Gamer Haven for Racist, Slavery-Deniers." A further investigation by a crack myopic intern has found the scandalous gamer slavery revealed in ED last month, was just the tip
of a toxic iceberg. Rearranging their words & removing context to peel away their mendacious evasions, I have uncovered a Dangerous echo chamber of unconcious bias, unicorn-phobia, too many -isms to list, and appalling denial of every kind
that we cant stand. Eventually someone said 'carebear'.
the horror Arrests have been made.
mm clunky. Im sure you can work on the title, but the gist is free. & of course, complete nonsense, but that hasn't been an obstacle in journalism for a while, has it.