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General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?
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I have no idea then what .... I was merely highlighting that there are lots of activities people have undertaken throughout their lives that could have unforeseen consequences.
I personally dont believe the Chinese statistics reflect their true numbers, unfortunately that opinion is based on their history of information supression and censorship.
Side effects seem terrible according to people.Not going to complain, but boy taking MMR before OAZ has really amped up the response. Got a 3 cm bump at the site, fever etc.
I can barely walk after 24 hours. Struggling in the ER. Will have to take tomorrow off and sleep all day. It's good though, intense immune response, like the second dose. If this doesn't make me stronger, I wish it would hurry up and kill me.
Overall the figures are very underestimated in many countries.
In India they estimate the number of deaths at 10 times more, so 2 million.
And I wonder how many real deaths following injections of AZ, J&J or other vaccines. Because here, too, the authorities should not say anything not to frighten people.
Based on feelings or science?
I can see why you might think this and if it was just something afflicting a single country perhaps it would be easier to agree.
But this a worldwide virus being worked on by an unheard number of scientists with considerably more sharing of information than normal.
But look at the governments behind the obviously underestimated numbers, Modi, Xinping, Trump, Bolsonaro etc. Just because that type of person/government is willing to do these things should not cast the same doubt on everyone.Overall the figures are very underestimated in many countries.
In India they estimate the number of deaths at 10 times more, so 2 million.
And I wonder how many real deaths following injections of AZ, J&J or other vaccines. Because here, too, the authorities should not say anything not to frighten people.
As for more "real deaths" due to the vaccine. Probably far far less than you think.
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Your ill-informed statements suggest otherwise.
Could it be you've already had asymptomatic covid ?. I got told I'd get really bad side effects having definitely had covid the minimal amount of time before getting the vaccine.Not going to complain, but boy taking MMR before OAZ has really amped up the response. Got a 3 cm bump at the site, fever etc.
I can barely walk after 24 hours. Struggling in the ER. Will have to take tomorrow off and sleep all day. It's good though, intense immune response, like the second dose. If this doesn't make me stronger, I wish it would hurry up and kill me.
Or perhaps as with the virus itself we all get a variety of symptoms. I've yet to meet anyone whose covid symptoms were exactly the same as mine and haven't met any two people whose symptoms were identical. It's a proper symptom lottery.
Better than the virus.Side effects seem terrible according to people.
Read up on the testing process the vaccines went through. You obviously haven't done that yet since "it's experimental" is just another anti-vax conspiracy doing the rounds on social media.
Vaccines are how you achieve herd immunity.
Well in France where we do not have an extreme right-wing (or extreme left-wing) government, there are thousands of deaths that are not counted.
Why ? Because only the deaths in the hospital and in the retirement homes are counted because the feedback is fast.
All people who have died at home from Covid are noted by a general practitioner and in this case the reporting and processing of data at the national level can take many months.
In addition there are the collateral victims of the Covid. That is to say all the people who do not have the Covid but who will die earlier than expected because the surgeries are postponed to later dates.
Many experts say it will take years to know the real and final count of the pandemic.
Regarding India, it is doctors and crematorium officials who compare the real figures and the government figures which are largely underestimated.
In all cases with your sentence above, thank you for confirming here that there may be a cover-up.
This morning my wife got an "It's Experimental" bulletin purporting to come from a medical source. So I sent a reply to them, which she had to censor. Antivaxxer garbage.
It's truly sad to see that there are still people talking about Scott Atlasian herd immunity, after he Hindenberged so hard and had to resign in disgrace. How much fail does it take? This dud is still circulating at the bottom of the pond?
Two of the first people on the planet to get vaccinated were Rupert Murdoch and Donald Trump. Both done out of the public eye.
The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Masks and full respect for barrier gestures too, and also the containments.
These are useful, but provide no immunity.
Not eating animals, not rearing them in dreadful conditions, and acting out of kindness and respect for nature could have prevented the whole disaster. India mostly followed this idea. But in the end, it did not help them. Up to 2 weeks ago, there were reports that they had also achieved "herd immunity".
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This thread is starting to show it's crazy. I brought these from the Raxxla thread. You folks need them more 
But none of that is evidence of a cover-up. If I remember rightly the same happened in the UK, ONS numbers came out later which included a whole bunch of people that the day to day tallying did not include. That is all perfectly reasonable and understandable, only people trying to make a mountain out of nothing would use that of evidence of malfeasance.
Regardless, it is still an estimation.
Crappy people/governments behaving crappy. Shocker that needs confirming.In all cases with your sentence above, thank you for confirming here that there may be a cover-up.
EU in vaccine passport talks with US but not UK
Vaccinated Americans could be let into Europe this summer, while UK talking to member states such as Greece
www.theguardian.com
Yes including the thrombosis. A lottery.
In a words of real medical experts on thrombosis "if you want a clot catch covid".
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