General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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ianw

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lysan said:
Well as I said trust no one, same applies here in all these cases.
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Well presumably no-one except the people telling you vaccines are harmful?

Unless you're going to tell me you've carried out extensive testing of all the vaccines and have documented results yourself (obviously no peer review because of all people you can't trust them peers - dodgy gits - are right at the top of the list).
 

lysan

lysan
Stigbob said:
Did you have to get any vaccinations to go there do that work ?.
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Nope, the doctors had hazmat suits, but we got nothing as there was no point, if you got it, dig a hole as fast as you could and jump into it. Sorry morbid humor from those days.
 

lysan

lysan
ianw said:
Well presumably no-one except the people telling you vaccines are harmful?

Unless you're going to tell me you've carried out extensive testing of all the vaccines and have documented results yourself (obviously no peer review because of all people you can't trust them peers - dodgy gits - are right at the top of the list).
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www.wsj.com

Germany, France, Italy Suspend Use of AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 Vaccine

The countries joined some smaller European nations that have temporarily stopped giving the vaccine amid a small number of cases of blood clotting. Health regulators and AstraZeneca said there is no known connection between severe clotting and the shot.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
Ok guys has been fun but need to go cheers 🍻
 

Scoob101

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ianw said:
Well presumably no-one except the people telling you vaccines are harmful?
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There is of course the possibility that the people who are telling the OP that vaccines are harmful are engaged in a conspiracy to try and reduce the number of people getting vaccinated, in an attempt to destabilise the system.
 

Cotic

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lysan said:
They were willingly participating and was rewarded with money, don’t tell me it could not happen again with something else like, oh I don’t know.....

I’m not scared, I just don’t want to take these untested vaccines, and by the reports from many countries I was right as they now redraw some of them from the market. If I was scared I wouldn’t work in ebola infested areas as I did many years ago, you wanna talk about a deadly virus? Then that’s a good example.
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But they are tested, I mean they have done the trials... maybe it is not as rigorous as you would like but there is an ongoing pandemic..

And while we're talking about Covid and Ebola, the former has resulted in 3.5 million deaths in 18 months while the latter accounts for less than 50,000 deaths over 45 years.

Also using the fact that some countries are withdrawing one or two vaccines is not really evidence of anything, those same countries are still using other vaccines which have had no more research time.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
lysan said:
Nope, the doctors had hazmat suits, but we got nothing as there was no point, if you got it, dig a hole as fast as you could and jump into it. Sorry morbid humor from those days.
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I was a proper pin cushion on every pre-deployment myself.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Arry said:
Correction: Valid, up-tp-date vaccines, stop the spread. Out of date vaccines, or vaccines that only offer protection against a limited type of Covid 19 viruses mutations; will not stop the spread.
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If we had any out of date vaccines that might be an issue, there are already booster jabs in development though so wait and see might end up like tetanus every decade or so.

Currently the vaccination drive is working real wonders.
 

Scoob101

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Cotic said:
But they are tested, I mean they have done the trials... maybe it is not as rigorous as you would like but there is an ongoing pandemic..

And while we're talking about Covid and Ebola, the former has resulted in 3.5 million deaths in 18 months while the latter accounts for less than 50,000 deaths over 45 years.

Also using the fact that some countries are withdrawing one or two vaccines is not really evidence of anything, those same countries are still using other vaccines which have had no more research time.
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This isnt anything to do with how safe vaccenes are. This is about what information sources people chose to trust, and why.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Arry said:
Only after lock-down 3.
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Nope. It's the combination of lockdown and vaccine. From my perspective the vaccine has been the more effective of the two. We'll be able to tell after the ongoing lifting of restrictions by what happens next, the lifting of restrictions is only possible because of the vaccine.
 

Scoob101

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Stigbob said:
the lifting of restrictions is only possible because of the vaccine.
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Don't forget the political element. I question whether lockdown 4 (should it be required from a public health perspective) could actually be realistically implemented due to the combination of severe lockdown fatigue of the general voting population, plus the political pressure from the right.

I think it's likely that regardless of the underlying conditions, were coming out of this ready or not.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Scoob101 said:
Don't forget the political element. I question whether lockdown 4 (should it be required from a public health perspective) could actually be realistically implemented due to the combination of severe lockdown fatigue of the general voting population, plus the political pressure from the right.

I think it's likely that regardless of the underlying conditions, were coming out of this ready or not.
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With key workers and the vulnerable already vaccinated along with 50% of the population (and rising) I'm OK with that.
 
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Arry

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There is a lot of noise here. Noise that seems to be getting louder and louder; simply to protect fragile egos and opinions.

On the one side: There is the, 'we cannot trust' and vaccines should be avoided and at all cost, as they must be the work of the devil.
On the other side: There is the, 'this is the saviour of mankind', and everyone must conform, or be dammed as the thoughtless devils minions, they are.

Both are as ridiculous as each other. Browbeating and belittling achieves nothing, except to have both camps, close ranks and ignore common sense.
 

Scoob101

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Arry said:
There is a lot of noise here. Noise that seems to be getting louder and louder; simply to protect fragile egos and opinions.

On the one side: There is the, 'we cannot trust' and vaccines should be avoided and at all cost, as they must be the work of the devil.
On the other side: There is the, 'this is the saviour of mankind', and everyone must conform, or be dammed as the thoughtless devils minions, they are.

Both are as ridiculous as each other. Browbeating and belittling achieves nothing, except to have both camps, close ranks and ignore common sense.
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The only value I see in any of this is to try and shine a light on what is it that makes people chose to trust one information source, but not another.

I listed an unopened product on ebay once, and someone asked me how I knew the actual product was inside, given that it was listed as unopened. They were very persistent. It never occurred to them that they do the exact same thing every time they go into a shop and pick up a box.
 

ianw

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Just bumped into a mate at the school gate.

Him - Just got a text about the vaccine

Me - You gonna do it (knowing full well he's not super keen but isn't rabidly anti either)?

Him - Not sure

Me - Well it's up to you obv - everyone has to make their own mind up

Him - Might have to just to make travel easier

Me - Yeah, well there is that - it does look like that's gonna happen..

Pre covid he travelled a few times a year for work plus his family live abroad so there you have it, real world example of how it will probably go for some of the reluctants..
 

Zetta

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Arry said:
Both are as ridiculous as each other. Browbeating and belittling achieves nothing, except to have both camps, close ranks and ignore common sense.
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I disagree with this "both sides" generalization of what is happening in this thread.
One side is arguing from a more factual, common sense standpoint. The other is the from a feeling based, anti-factual position.
Anti-vaxx, by it's very nature, is the opposite of common sense and facts. It is all about mistrust and feelings.
 
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