Powerplay How is Powerplay not open only yet?

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
Robert Maynard said:
Indeed - we all have opinions, even if they are not the same ones.

I would decide what I was going to do if and when it happened, not before.
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So you will stay. At least you are not some of the people claiming you would drop the game. :) Honestly the only reason I would drop ED (apart of boredom of course but that's natural) is if it would adopt pay2win mechanics.
 

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
-NO VR- Frillop Freyraum said:
I am well aware that I support these ideas simply by participating in these threads. As much as you would like to see me disappear, without any opposition these threads would dry up in no time. Because you guys are just going around in circles. I've seen this happen a few times on other controversial topics. It's always the same: the fanatics actually believe that if they just whine long and persistently enough, they'll finally get what they want. So far, it has never come true.
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Ah you're confusing things: I just asked you politely to stick to the technicalities in the other thread. This is a pure open vs pvt/solo madness-thread. We are in topic in here. :)
 

Brrokk

Brrokk
Is this still going? Look, nothing can ever be Open-only, for a simple reason. The instant there's something in Open you can't get from any other mode, a soloish player has an incentive to play in Open but block and relog every time he sees a hollow square. It wouldn't take many people doing that to completely massacre everyone's instancing. I can only hope FD aren't daft enough to wreck their game like that.
 

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
Brrokk said:
Is this still going? Look, nothing can ever be Open-only, for a simple reason. The instant there's something in Open you can't get from any other mode, a soloish player has an incentive to play in Open but block and relog every time he sees a hollow square. It wouldn't take many people doing that to completely massacre everyone's instancing. I can only hope FD aren't daft enough to wreck their game like that.
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Well problems could happen. But could be solved to.

Like the inability to block other pledged CMDRs for example.

Again: we know how things are right now. Can we talk about how things could be? ;) Far more interesting.
 

Brrokk

Brrokk
Bard Voronwe said:
Well problems could happen. But could be solved to.

Like the inability to block other pledged CMDRs for example.

Again: we know how things are right now. Can we talk about how things could be? ;) Far more interesting.
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Well yes. I just talked about how things could be. Not good.

Your suggested fix is impossible on consoles, so I don't think it would be an option on PCs either.
 

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
Don't know how console blocks work actually, so I can just trust you on this one.

About blocking I didn't talk about blocking comms, and we're talking of abusive behaviour that should end in a ban by the abuser. But we're talking about singular cases: it's just like you are saying that you go to pvt/solo because in Open everybody is racist or similar, when we all know that (at least in Powerplay) most people go to solo to have it easy for their Power.
 

SouthernGorilla

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I'm relatively new to the game, just over 200 hours. I play PP in solo because I get a kick out of the meta. I'm not serious about it yet because I have no clue how it works other than getting a bit of cash for distributing some pamphlets. So, yeah, I would be highly annoyed if suddenly they told me I had to play in open if I wanted to keep doing PP. Just like I would be angry if they told me I had to play in open if I wanted to haul freight. I paid the same price for my game as everyone else, I get the same access.

And, no, the fun of PP is not the risk of getting attacked. That's the same people spew about piracy, that it makes hauling "fun". Such unmitigated arrogance, thinking your idea of fun is the only valid way. I play solo because I genuinely don't like people. I don't want constant chatter on my message screen, I don't want to join a discord, I just want to fly around and play my own way. This thread basically explains why I feel the way I feel... too many zealots convinced the world will be perfect if everyone would just follow their One True Path. Me playing in solo in no way effects your ability to do what you want in open. So quit trying to effect how I do things in solo.
 

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
SouthernGorilla said:
I'm relatively new to the game, just over 200 hours. I play PP in solo because I get a kick out of the meta. I'm not serious about it yet because I have no clue how it works other than getting a bit of cash for distributing some pamphlets. So, yeah, I would be highly annoyed if suddenly they told me I had to play in open if I wanted to keep doing PP. Just like I would be angry if they told me I had to play in open if I wanted to haul freight. I paid the same price for my game as everyone else, I get the same access.

And, no, the fun of PP is not the risk of getting attacked. That's the same people spew about piracy, that it makes hauling "fun". Such unmitigated arrogance, thinking your idea of fun is the only valid way. I play solo because I genuinely don't like people. I don't want constant chatter on my message screen, I don't want to join a discord, I just want to fly around and play my own way. This thread basically explains why I feel the way I feel... too many zealots convinced the world will be perfect if everyone would just follow their One True Path. Me playing in solo in no way effects your ability to do what you want in open. So quit trying to effect how I do things in solo.
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Wow a brand new account with just one message and it's in this thread. Not suspicious at all. :)

Anyway, let's take for granted you are sincere and not a secondary account opened in the forums by some of the guys currently involved in this discussion.

It's not about making you playing in open, it's about giving people who don't want that kind of grindy pvt/solo driven spreadsheet war game mechanics an alternative. To obtain this the game should offer something that it's designed for open play (NOT the current Powerplay but something different) and something that's designed for the mixed current way (BGS as we know it).

Plenty of space for everybody. You can just ignore any game mechanic you don't want to. I don't ask for mining to be excluded from the game because I don't like it, that's what usually functional adults tend to do.
 

Asharyn

Asharyn
SouthernGorilla said:
I'm relatively new to the game, just over 200 hours. I play PP in solo because I get a kick out of the meta. I'm not serious about it yet because I have no clue how it works other than getting a bit of cash for distributing some pamphlets. So, yeah, I would be highly annoyed if suddenly they told me I had to play in open if I wanted to keep doing PP. Just like I would be angry if they told me I had to play in open if I wanted to haul freight. I paid the same price for my game as everyone else, I get the same access.

And, no, the fun of PP is not the risk of getting attacked. That's the same people spew about piracy, that it makes hauling "fun". Such unmitigated arrogance, thinking your idea of fun is the only valid way. I play solo because I genuinely don't like people. I don't want constant chatter on my message screen, I don't want to join a discord, I just want to fly around and play my own way. This thread basically explains why I feel the way I feel... too many zealots convinced the world will be perfect if everyone would just follow their One True Path. Me playing in solo in no way effects your ability to do what you want in open. So quit trying to effect how I do things in solo.
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I don't think anyone claimed it made it fun. It just makes it fair. Powers vs powers is what powerplay is. But people hide in solo, makeing it hollow and unfair.
 

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
-NO VR- Frillop Freyraum said:
Weren't we trying not to be personal? But no, it's you, that's something entirely else, of course. Ever heard of double standards? All I see from you here is how you try to mob any form of opposition from the thread.



And now it's even getting conspiratorial. Are you really already so screwed up that you have to use such rotten tricks?
Luckily, it's not up to you to decide what's fair and what's not, or who gets to say what and where.
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Yup and you are just trying to flame in here. ;)

But don't take this badly: you gotta be smart enough to make people snap usually. And I'm sorry to say that every sorry attempt of yours proved useless until now.

Back to Open Only Powerplay! You folks still didn't manage to explain me (well, us actually) how nobody didn't come to understand (or is ignoring deliberately) that pvt and solo heavily affect open gameplay, making pvt/solo a forced choice if somebody wants to compete for his Power.

In that case all modes are not equal if private and solo are more efficient in grinding merits for example, because of PvP opposition, making Open Play not quite equal to the other modes.
 

Robert Maynard

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Robert Maynard
Bard Voronwe said:
You folks still didn't manage to explain me (well, us actually) how nobody didn't come to understand (or is ignoring deliberately) that pvt and solo heavily affect open gameplay, making pvt/solo a forced choice if somebody wants to compete for his Power.
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The fact that players in Solo and Private Groups affect the game, just as players in Open affect the game, should come as no surprise to those who have undertaken some small amount of research into the game, or even just read its advertising.
Bard Voronwe said:
In that case all modes are not equal if private and solo are more efficient in grinding merits for example, because of PvP opposition, making Open Play not quite equal to the other modes.
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While the absence of other players can make engaging in particular game features more efficient in Solo and Private groups (due to the lack of interference from other players), the other players that may want to interfere with any player's game don't have a say in the matter - each player's choice as to which game mode to play has precedence - which means that PvP opposition is entirely optional.
 

Bard Voronwe

Bard Voronwe
Robert Maynard said:
The fact that players in Solo and Private Groups affect the game, just as players in Open affect the game, should come as no surprise to those who have undertaken some small amount of research into the game, or even just read its advertising.

While the absence of other players can make engaging in particular game features more efficient in Solo and Private groups (due to the lack of interference from other players), the other players that may want to interfere with any player's game don't have a say in the matter - each player's choice as to which game mode to play has precedence - which means that PvP opposition is entirely optional.
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Again with the usual broken record, and no, I am not surprised, I am just trying to make you understand that the "all modes are equals" is simply some false thing people against anything Open Only usually repeat continuously. :)

The three modes ARE NOT equal, at least for Powerplay.

In Open there's player opposition.
In Solo you cannot cooperate efficiently.
Private Group is actually the most convenient way to play Powerplay.

Oh yeah, just for your knowledge, because you are here talking about Powerplay but maybe you didn't know that: in Powerplay when you kill a target while winging up, every CMDR that hit the target before it's destroyed gets 30 merits (or 10 if you are in Powerplay CZs).

So, at least for Powerplay, no, all modes are anything but equal.

And we are talking about balancement and a game to be fair, and to offer an alternative for people that want to engage that kind of gameplay without private and solo interference.

Again: it's you that are forcing people to pg/solo to have results, you just don't accept the fact to be on the coercive side of this argument, beu hey, newsflash: that's what you are doing! Denying people something to measure each other playing the way they want without interference.

And again: why? The rest of the game will stay as it is. Don't worry. FDev will NEVER make the whole game Open Only. just leave something to us, will you? Pretty please? Can't you go on full bigot mode on that against us? For a game, nontheless?
 
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