I think you might care about meta at one point - I'm confident a good portion of players would: Once you figured that half your dabbling with upgrades has led to a colossal waste of time and supoptimal solutions. It also tears the disparity and balance between players further apart and I have a hunch that players mostly like fair matchups instead of meta chariots lolstomping them at first sight.
Grind requirements are insane
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Well, I had to work the clock to earn the cash to buy the game. That's enough effort for some entertainment entitlement in my book. No need to clock more work to get some fun out of my money.
The material grind to upgrade the quality of your items is something we certainly need in Horizons as well. Do not sell anything except E-rated items and then force the player base to grind materials to upgrade them. Just imagine how much fun it would be to only have E-rated FSDs available and then - in order to make it A-rated - you need to travel to the Coalsack Nebula and Sagittarius A* 'cause those two systems are the only systems that spawn the materials you need for a D-rated FSD.
This game is about collecting actual scrap and junk?
400 billion stars and 3 superpowers just to collect scraps.
Terrible.
Grinding mats is boring - if you can't buy the items and can't get them by doing a fun activity in game - then it's just grind.
Grinding mats to upgrade items required to grind more mats is not a 'game' it's job, it's 'work', it's something have to do rather than 'want' to do. It's like taking out the rubbish (trash) we have to do, it's a chore that needs to be done.
I don't 'play' video games to do 'chores' - I play to have fun. If it's not fun, it's not interesting and it's not a really a challenge. Then it's not worth my time.
Hence I have no plans to bother with any of the new on-foot engineers.
Grinding mats to upgrade items required to grind more mats is not a 'game' it's job, it's 'work', it's something have to do rather than 'want' to do. It's like taking out the rubbish (trash) we have to do, it's a chore that needs to be done.
I don't 'play' video games to do 'chores' - I play to have fun. If it's not fun, it's not interesting and it's not a really a challenge. Then it's not worth my time.
Hence I have no plans to bother with any of the new on-foot engineers.
Ooooooh here we go, this aught to rile some people up!
Oh I fully expect the npc beta simps to come out of the wood work and cry about it.
I know why. I have 2.8 billion credits, and would spend a good chunk of it on getting the best stuff. Fdev don’t want that. This rare G3 sale needs to go, though. And mats needs to be three at a time, not one.
My concern right now is the Fdev will gate ship or SRV upgrades behind the Suit grinding and eng unlocks. I have zero desire to play the FPS game. Will Fdev try and force FPS play, to unlock better exploration ship or srv tools? If so you can have my stuff.
I do like being able to go on foot on the planets to explore and look around. Will they lock much of that type of game play behind doing the FPS grinding? I think they probably will.
I do like being able to go on foot on the planets to explore and look around. Will they lock much of that type of game play behind doing the FPS grinding? I think they probably will.
Easily?why would you start with gr1 when you can easily score gr3 stuff at vendors? Just sayin
I don't understand why they would let us accumulate wealth (I have 2.1 billion and all the ships I want) and then not let us spend it how we see fit... Why can't I buy a G3 suit and then have to grind to engineer it? Why shoult I have to buy a G1 and grind it up to G3 and then grind to engineer it? And for all the "pay to win" crowd who will say "that's not what ED is about", I've done the grind to earn the money (I didn't do the 4 billion CG), so I've paid in game time for everything I've got. If you're not buying a suit with Arx then it's not "pay to win" since you can't buy in-game credits.
Of course they will, because this is what their game designers think passes for content...
I would first have to care enough to actually watch it.
I'm confused... Are people actually complaining that you can't get the best gear in eight days?? Grinding is NOT hard in this game by any means. You're going out of your way to avoid profitable missions because you don't want to try and succeed at something. Like what? Is this a joke? Sorry but just like every other MMO in existence, you have to grind. Stop complaining and play the game. Also I'm still very confused why you need upgraded suits if you're "Not good at FPS"...
Grind is a poor substitute for content.
But FD love grind, they really do, ultimately it’s a limitation wall, put there to supposedly stop everyone maxing out.
Getting that G5 modded weapon is not supposed to be easy, not everyone is supposed to have them, so for FD grind is seen as the perfect deterrent and a cheap alternative for content.
But FD fail to realise how some players actually do like grind, either seeing it as a challenge to be overcome or it’s an obsessive compulsion, but also some have hours to spare and are happy to grind out the game and get that maxed out ship in under a day or two.
It’s not supposed to be a key element of gameplay, it’s supposed to slow you down. Like everything else in ED it’s poorly implemented, FD have consistently failed to account for human behaviour.
Since day 1 FD wanted players to follow the smaller factions missions, which should have taken players around the galaxy, but FD never told anyone at the time, until they admitted they got it wrong, because people were just focusing on repetitive actions and grinding; so what do FD do, but give people more grind.
Don’t grind, play.
But FD love grind, they really do, ultimately it’s a limitation wall, put there to supposedly stop everyone maxing out.
Getting that G5 modded weapon is not supposed to be easy, not everyone is supposed to have them, so for FD grind is seen as the perfect deterrent and a cheap alternative for content.
But FD fail to realise how some players actually do like grind, either seeing it as a challenge to be overcome or it’s an obsessive compulsion, but also some have hours to spare and are happy to grind out the game and get that maxed out ship in under a day or two.
It’s not supposed to be a key element of gameplay, it’s supposed to slow you down. Like everything else in ED it’s poorly implemented, FD have consistently failed to account for human behaviour.
Since day 1 FD wanted players to follow the smaller factions missions, which should have taken players around the galaxy, but FD never told anyone at the time, until they admitted they got it wrong, because people were just focusing on repetitive actions and grinding; so what do FD do, but give people more grind.
Don’t grind, play.
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The problem is not that there is "grind" but that there is too much of it at all levels.
I could understand that in 2015 when I started playing because there was a lot less to do and so farming for your objective (bigger ship) took time which prevented players from getting bored, but since then there have been a lot of gameplay additions but each addition has had an extra grind to do without really reducing the existing one (well not significantly for my perception of the game) to the point where now (even before odyssey) you have a lot of objective choices (event, story, galactic lore. ...) but we spend a lot of time just grind rather than doing fun things in the game.
I have many contacts who stopped playing Elite largely because of this omnipresence of grind obligation in the gameplay loop.
I could understand that in 2015 when I started playing because there was a lot less to do and so farming for your objective (bigger ship) took time which prevented players from getting bored, but since then there have been a lot of gameplay additions but each addition has had an extra grind to do without really reducing the existing one (well not significantly for my perception of the game) to the point where now (even before odyssey) you have a lot of objective choices (event, story, galactic lore. ...) but we spend a lot of time just grind rather than doing fun things in the game.
I have many contacts who stopped playing Elite largely because of this omnipresence of grind obligation in the gameplay loop.
It's been pretty fun going to the settlements and looting everything. That said, the way to get most of the rarer ingredients is mission rewards. You can get up to 5 of the rare ones and up to 3 of the very rare like Power Regulators for Threat Level 5 missions. If you go to the NPC mission people, you can negotiate your reward and get up to 7 of the rare items.
I've managed to get a couple G5 suits and weapons with a couple of mods. Waiting until the other engineers are unlocked. I played a lot this past week because it was fun, not because it was a grind.
You'll eventually have it all. Only a week has gone by. Give it some time.
You can get G5 with a few days of work if you keep at it. Below are a couple of the ones I completed last night.
I've managed to get a couple G5 suits and weapons with a couple of mods. Waiting until the other engineers are unlocked. I played a lot this past week because it was fun, not because it was a grind.
You'll eventually have it all. Only a week has gone by. Give it some time.
You can get G5 with a few days of work if you keep at it. Below are a couple of the ones I completed last night.
There is a fine line between the two but it’s easier to design grind than gameplay.
Just take missions which provide you with a power regulator then abandon the mission - sure, it costs you credits in fines, but I just pretend that's how much they cost.